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I think we state transparently enough that we only report usage data and not your data within ZITADEL and you are free to disable it any time. If you don’t agr

by ffo 4y ago

I think we state transparently enough that we only report usage data and not your data within ZITADEL and you are free to disable it any time. If you don’t agree with this I recommend not using ZITADEL

sneak 4y ago
Obviously that was my point. Usage data is still the user's data and you are not entitled to it without the user's consent. The fact that you disclose your unethical behavior does not make it ethical. A better thing to do would be to patch out the feature that abuses the user's data. The trend of open source spyware needs to stop.
- denysvitali 4y ago
  Whilst I'm not a fan of tools phoning back home, I have to admit that I'm starting to see this more and more. Flutter (Google) does it: https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/install/windows https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/install/windows > The flutter tool uses Google Analytics to report feature usage statistics and send crash reports. This data is used to help improve Flutter tools over time. > > Flutter tool analytics are not sent on the very first run. To disable reporting, run flutter config --no-analytics. To display the current setting, use flutter config. If you opt out of analytics, an opt-out event is sent, and then no further information is sent by the Flutter tool.
  - sneak 4y ago
    > If you opt out of analytics, an opt-out event is sent This is the utmost in asshole behavior. Netlify used to do this in their CLI until I made them stop. Sending analytics events when the user has explicitly revoked consent lays bare how a company actually feels about consent. The individual people writing such software in these orgs should be named explicitly so that others can avoid hiring or working with them.
- ffo 4y ago
  I stand by my point that we openly disclose this and if you don’t want to share data either disable it or don‘t use it.
  - POPOSYS 4y ago
    You do not seem to get it and that alone disqualifies your product for many admins in the EU. To explain it clearly so you can better understand: you need to make ANY data submission OPT-IN, not OPT-OUT. That means that you need to ask users for consent before sending any data. I strongly recommend doing this for a product that is in touch with any user data. For a product that would take such a central role in any infra your comments on this issue here are devastating - when you demonstrate ignorance for European data laws, how can any admin trust you with your product? Total self-destruct.

by ffo 4y ago

sneak 4y ago

Obviously that was my point. Usage data is still the user's data and you are not entitled to it without the user's consent. The fact that you disclose your unethical behavior does not make it ethical. A better thing to do would be to patch out the feature that abuses the user's data. The trend of open source spyware needs to stop.

denysvitali 4y ago
Whilst I'm not a fan of tools phoning back home, I have to admit that I'm starting to see this more and more. Flutter (Google) does it: https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/install/windows https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/install/windows > The flutter tool uses Google Analytics to report feature usage statistics and send crash reports. This data is used to help improve Flutter tools over time. > > Flutter tool analytics are not sent on the very first run. To disable reporting, run flutter config --no-analytics. To display the current setting, use flutter config. If you opt out of analytics, an opt-out event is sent, and then no further information is sent by the Flutter tool.
- sneak 4y ago
  > If you opt out of analytics, an opt-out event is sent This is the utmost in asshole behavior. Netlify used to do this in their CLI until I made them stop. Sending analytics events when the user has explicitly revoked consent lays bare how a company actually feels about consent. The individual people writing such software in these orgs should be named explicitly so that others can avoid hiring or working with them.
ffo 4y ago
I stand by my point that we openly disclose this and if you don’t want to share data either disable it or don‘t use it.
- POPOSYS 4y ago
  You do not seem to get it and that alone disqualifies your product for many admins in the EU. To explain it clearly so you can better understand: you need to make ANY data submission OPT-IN, not OPT-OUT. That means that you need to ask users for consent before sending any data. I strongly recommend doing this for a product that is in touch with any user data. For a product that would take such a central role in any infra your comments on this issue here are devastating - when you demonstrate ignorance for European data laws, how can any admin trust you with your product? Total self-destruct.