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the problem is that the video does not prove the claims it makes to begin with.. it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the

the problem is that the video does not prove the claims it makes to begin with.. it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. edit: fixing typos.

slowhand09 4y ago
This commonly called the "Burden of Proof" fallacy. That you may have to dig deeper to find facts supporting or attacking a position doesn't invalidate the assertion.
rvz 4y ago
> it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. Is that why Twitter hasn't responded to them? Hence no denial or refutation from them? Just like they did not respond to the leaked all hands video? > so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. If that is so, why hasn't it been debunked yet? Why hasn't Project Veritas retracted it immediately then if they're wrong? Either way, if Twitter / YouTube removes it they have something to hide and if they don't respond with a refutation, it makes the claims more believable. It gets worse the more they hesitate. > unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. Perhaps you can ask them to post that video in full, since they were able to post the full leaked Twitter all hands video which lots of the same so-called 'trusted' media sources also cared to indirectly reference it as well in their own articles about the all hands meeting. So unless you have a full debunking of both this video's confessions and also the leaked Twitter all hands video that these media sources was referencing, then we can only conclude that this video as it stands is legitimate and still remains un-refuted and still not debunked by anyone.
- tmottabr 4y ago
  don't know what video you saw.. but the video linked here does not have any confessions, just a bunch of opinions from a nobody that we know nothing about that happen to work at twitter, edited by an organization without any credibility and know for using video to distort what people say.. everything laid out of context.. the video is total crap and not wort anyone to waste their time with.. so unless you have any reason on why people should give this video any credibility fill free to give to whoever comes looking for it.. i have already waste too much time on this crap, if you had anything to give this video credibility you would have provided already so i will assume there is nothing and move on..
  - rvz 4y ago
    Once again, cannot refute, unable to answer my questions and attempting to escape the discussion about the 'credibility' of both this video and the related Twitter all hands video. > don't know what video you saw.. We both saw that video in the article of the engineer giving out their confession, unless you jumped directly into the comments section without watching the video and it is from that same organization that leaked the Twitter all hands video which Techcrunch and Business Insider references them directly by name [0][1], and with others ending up having to retract hundreds of claims about them [2]. But nice try at deflecting and gaslighting. Maybe that leaked all hands video was also 'edited' as well? I think we both know that the all hands leak is authentic. > the video is total crap and not wort anyone to waste their time with.. That is not a refutation of the video(s), links and posts in my older comment. Nothing has changed, with my points still standing and with the video(s) still not being debunked, and still not refuted. > i have already waste too much time on this crap, if you had anything to give this video credibility you would have provided already so i will assume there is nothing and move on.. Even before you commented, I already did provide sources and you have now just found out that you have wasted your time struggling to dismiss and ignore something that already has been admitted on video and still has no direct refutation or a straight debunking. At best, you have only given ad-hominems and resorted to typical gaslighting. And finally we have a 'response' from Twitter via a leaked internal email also mentioning Project Veritas by name [3][4] and being aware of the videos of the engineer that works at Twitter. So there you have it, confirming all that I said about the video, whilst you still having absolutely ZERO refutations or counter-claims to prove that it is false. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/27/twitter-leaked-all-hands-call/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/27/twitter-leaked-all-hands-c... [1] https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/twitter-staff-and-management-are-uncertain-and-seemingly-lack-faith-in-elon-musk-companys-leaked-all-hands-meeting-audio-suggests/articleshow/91154141.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/twitter-staff-and-m... [2] https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ [3] https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1526647553558581248/photo/1 https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1526647553558581248/ph... [4] https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1526638323887898624/photo/1 https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1526638323887898624/...

slowhand09 4y ago

This commonly called the "Burden of Proof" fallacy. That you may have to dig deeper to find facts supporting or attacking a position doesn't invalidate the assertion.

rvz 4y ago

> it is just a bunch of random phrases out of context put in a way to convey the desired message from a source that lack any credibility.. Is that why Twitter hasn't responded to them? Hence no denial or refutation from them? Just like they did not respond to the leaked all hands video? > so the video has no validity to begin with for us to disprove.. If that is so, why hasn't it been debunked yet? Why hasn't Project Veritas retracted it immediately then if they're wrong? Either way, if Twitter / YouTube removes it they have something to hide and if they don't respond with a refutation, it makes the claims more believable. It gets worse the more they hesitate. > unless you have access to the source material and can give context to the stuff that was being discussed in those multiple conversations i see no reason we should trust or care about this video.. Perhaps you can ask them to post that video in full, since they were able to post the full leaked Twitter all hands video which lots of the same so-called 'trusted' media sources also cared to indirectly reference it as well in their own articles about the all hands meeting. So unless you have a full debunking of both this video's confessions and also the leaked Twitter all hands video that these media sources was referencing, then we can only conclude that this video as it stands is legitimate and still remains un-refuted and still not debunked by anyone.

tmottabr 4y ago
don't know what video you saw.. but the video linked here does not have any confessions, just a bunch of opinions from a nobody that we know nothing about that happen to work at twitter, edited by an organization without any credibility and know for using video to distort what people say.. everything laid out of context.. the video is total crap and not wort anyone to waste their time with.. so unless you have any reason on why people should give this video any credibility fill free to give to whoever comes looking for it.. i have already waste too much time on this crap, if you had anything to give this video credibility you would have provided already so i will assume there is nothing and move on..
- rvz 4y ago
  Once again, cannot refute, unable to answer my questions and attempting to escape the discussion about the 'credibility' of both this video and the related Twitter all hands video. > don't know what video you saw.. We both saw that video in the article of the engineer giving out their confession, unless you jumped directly into the comments section without watching the video and it is from that same organization that leaked the Twitter all hands video which Techcrunch and Business Insider references them directly by name [0][1], and with others ending up having to retract hundreds of claims about them [2]. But nice try at deflecting and gaslighting. Maybe that leaked all hands video was also 'edited' as well? I think we both know that the all hands leak is authentic. > the video is total crap and not wort anyone to waste their time with.. That is not a refutation of the video(s), links and posts in my older comment. Nothing has changed, with my points still standing and with the video(s) still not being debunked, and still not refuted. > i have already waste too much time on this crap, if you had anything to give this video credibility you would have provided already so i will assume there is nothing and move on.. Even before you commented, I already did provide sources and you have now just found out that you have wasted your time struggling to dismiss and ignore something that already has been admitted on video and still has no direct refutation or a straight debunking. At best, you have only given ad-hominems and resorted to typical gaslighting. And finally we have a 'response' from Twitter via a leaked internal email also mentioning Project Veritas by name [3][4] and being aware of the videos of the engineer that works at Twitter. So there you have it, confirming all that I said about the video, whilst you still having absolutely ZERO refutations or counter-claims to prove that it is false. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/27/twitter-leaked-all-hands-call/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/27/twitter-leaked-all-hands-c... [1] https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/twitter-staff-and-management-are-uncertain-and-seemingly-lack-faith-in-elon-musk-companys-leaked-all-hands-meeting-audio-suggests/articleshow/91154141.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/twitter-staff-and-m... [2] https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ [3] https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1526647553558581248/photo/1 https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1526647553558581248/ph... [4] https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1526638323887898624/photo/1 https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1526638323887898624/...