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Not from what I saw or heard. Engadget's review for example praised how silky smooth the entire user experience now was. Though I can imagine that being a beta

Not from what I saw or heard. Engadget's review for example praised how silky smooth the entire user experience now was. Though I can imagine that being a beta build running in debug mode doesn't really help, if someone did see the occasional hiccup.

chugger 15y ago
is ICS going to fix all the crashes, virus/spyware/malware, poor battery life? will ICS even run on older Android phones? will your carrier even let you upgrade to ICS?
- andylei 15y ago
  i mean, if you look at old iphones, they're pretty laggy and jittery on newer versions of ios
  - rimantas 15y ago
    You mean specifically iPhone 3G with iOS 4.0 (which was fixed with 4.1)?
    - gergles 15y ago
      Doubtful, he probably means things like my (current-gen) iPod touch, which runs like molasses with iOS 5. Stutters, jumps, unresponsiveness far worse than any Android phone I ever used.
      - falling 15y ago
        There is probably something wrong with your iPod. I'd take it to the Apple Store. iOS 5 works fine on a 3GS, and your iPod has iPhone 4-comparable hardware.
        Champer2 15y ago
        The iPod touch (current gen) has 256MB of RAM to the iPhone4(S)'s 512MB. The iPod Touch (current gen) has a retina display which the iPhone 3GS doesn't have. These factors may have produced a difference in performance.
      - CountSessine 15y ago
        There's something wrong with your iPod. Have it looked at. I have an old iPhone 3GS that runs IOS 5 more smoothly than my wife's Nexus S runs Gingerbread. And on my iPhone 4 (not 4S) IOS 5 is buttery-smooth - even a bit faster than IOS 4 was in some respects.
      - chugger 15y ago
        he made that story up. he's full of it.
- anticregger 15y ago
  That's not the fucking issue here. The only issue is whether is if ICS is smooth and yes it is across the board. But not in apps that havent been updated to take advantage of the newly added HW acceleration yet.
  - chugger 15y ago
    it is the issue. because it doesn't matter if you've got the fastest phone in the world if you can't use it because it's got spyware/malware/virus your phone's useless.
    - eco 15y ago
      Where are you getting this notion that spyware/malware/viruses are prolific on Android? I can assure you that they are certainly less common on Android than on desktop computers. The Android Market is certainly less curated than the Apple App Store but it's not like it's some haven for cyber criminals. Furthermore, the applications you install all have permissions listed making it much easier to safely install software on Android than it is on a computer and yet here we all are being plenty productive with those (when we aren't on Hacker News).
      - chugger 15y ago
        Google is your friend. Aug 24 2011: Android-targeted malware jumps 76% in Q2, McAfee says http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/24/android-targeted-malware-jumps-76-in-q2-mcafee-says/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/24/android-targeted-malware-jumps... Aug 01, 2011: Android Trojan records phone calls. CA security team finds more advanced Android malware http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/080111-android-trojan.html http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/080111-android-trojan.... Aug 15, 2011: A malicious Android app that disguises itself as Google's new social networking platform, Google+, is capable of stealing data, and answering and recording incoming phone calls http://www.scmagazineus.com/new-android-spyware-answers-incoming-calls/article/209639/ http://www.scmagazineus.com/new-android-spyware-answers-inco... Sep 20, 2011: Android bug lets attackers install malware without warning http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/20/google_android_vulnerability_patching/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/20/google_android_vulne... Aug 4, 2011: 8 Notorious Android Malware Attacks. Nearly a third of Android users will fall prey to mobile security threats this year. http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/231300257 http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/23130025...
- valnour 15y ago
  It's hard to read your post will all that FUD on it.
- erwanl 15y ago
  Battery life is pretty good with Gingerbread. ICS will be able to run on any phone able to run Gingerbread.
chugger 15y ago
Hardware acceleration is just one piece of the puzzle. Garbage collection is another issue. with ICS, you will now be able to run the garbage collector on a different core. great in theory but experience tells me that's a band aid solution. A lot of people wonder why garbage collection is done manually in iOS/Obj C. Performance is one reason, battery life is another.
Steko 15y ago
"As to overall performance, we saw a good deal of stutter in the Galaxy Nexus before us. Taps were not always recognized and there were occasional delays in performing an instruction, though in Google’s defense, it was a phone fully loaded with running tasks and the software is being continually improved and optimized (i.e. it’s not yet fully baked). That having been said, it unfortunately remains the case that Android isn’t as swift and responsive as iOS or Windows Phone (or even MeeGo Harmattan on the N9). Or at least it wasn’t on the demo phone we got a look at. The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there, which is not a heartening thing to hear when you’re talking about a super-powered dual-core device like the Galaxy Nexus." http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-cream-sandwich-pictures-video-hands-on/ http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-...
ecspike 15y ago
I was able to play with the device for a couple of minutes and like Engadget found it to be smooth.

chugger 15y ago

is ICS going to fix all the crashes, virus/spyware/malware, poor battery life? will ICS even run on older Android phones? will your carrier even let you upgrade to ICS?

andylei 15y ago
i mean, if you look at old iphones, they're pretty laggy and jittery on newer versions of ios
- rimantas 15y ago
  You mean specifically iPhone 3G with iOS 4.0 (which was fixed with 4.1)?
  - gergles 15y ago
    Doubtful, he probably means things like my (current-gen) iPod touch, which runs like molasses with iOS 5. Stutters, jumps, unresponsiveness far worse than any Android phone I ever used.
    - falling 15y ago
      There is probably something wrong with your iPod. I'd take it to the Apple Store. iOS 5 works fine on a 3GS, and your iPod has iPhone 4-comparable hardware.
      - Champer2 15y ago
        The iPod touch (current gen) has 256MB of RAM to the iPhone4(S)'s 512MB. The iPod Touch (current gen) has a retina display which the iPhone 3GS doesn't have. These factors may have produced a difference in performance.
    - CountSessine 15y ago
      There's something wrong with your iPod. Have it looked at. I have an old iPhone 3GS that runs IOS 5 more smoothly than my wife's Nexus S runs Gingerbread. And on my iPhone 4 (not 4S) IOS 5 is buttery-smooth - even a bit faster than IOS 4 was in some respects.
    - chugger 15y ago
      he made that story up. he's full of it.
anticregger 15y ago
That's not the fucking issue here. The only issue is whether is if ICS is smooth and yes it is across the board. But not in apps that havent been updated to take advantage of the newly added HW acceleration yet.
- chugger 15y ago
  it is the issue. because it doesn't matter if you've got the fastest phone in the world if you can't use it because it's got spyware/malware/virus your phone's useless.
  - eco 15y ago
    Where are you getting this notion that spyware/malware/viruses are prolific on Android? I can assure you that they are certainly less common on Android than on desktop computers. The Android Market is certainly less curated than the Apple App Store but it's not like it's some haven for cyber criminals. Furthermore, the applications you install all have permissions listed making it much easier to safely install software on Android than it is on a computer and yet here we all are being plenty productive with those (when we aren't on Hacker News).
    - chugger 15y ago
      Google is your friend. Aug 24 2011: Android-targeted malware jumps 76% in Q2, McAfee says http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/24/android-targeted-malware-jumps-76-in-q2-mcafee-says/ http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/24/android-targeted-malware-jumps... Aug 01, 2011: Android Trojan records phone calls. CA security team finds more advanced Android malware http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/080111-android-trojan.html http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/080111-android-trojan.... Aug 15, 2011: A malicious Android app that disguises itself as Google's new social networking platform, Google+, is capable of stealing data, and answering and recording incoming phone calls http://www.scmagazineus.com/new-android-spyware-answers-incoming-calls/article/209639/ http://www.scmagazineus.com/new-android-spyware-answers-inco... Sep 20, 2011: Android bug lets attackers install malware without warning http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/20/google_android_vulnerability_patching/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/20/google_android_vulne... Aug 4, 2011: 8 Notorious Android Malware Attacks. Nearly a third of Android users will fall prey to mobile security threats this year. http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/231300257 http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/mobile/23130025...
valnour 15y ago
It's hard to read your post will all that FUD on it.
erwanl 15y ago
Battery life is pretty good with Gingerbread. ICS will be able to run on any phone able to run Gingerbread.

chugger 15y ago

Hardware acceleration is just one piece of the puzzle. Garbage collection is another issue. with ICS, you will now be able to run the garbage collector on a different core. great in theory but experience tells me that's a band aid solution. A lot of people wonder why garbage collection is done manually in iOS/Obj C. Performance is one reason, battery life is another.

Steko 15y ago

"As to overall performance, we saw a good deal of stutter in the Galaxy Nexus before us. Taps were not always recognized and there were occasional delays in performing an instruction, though in Google’s defense, it was a phone fully loaded with running tasks and the software is being continually improved and optimized (i.e. it’s not yet fully baked). That having been said, it unfortunately remains the case that Android isn’t as swift and responsive as iOS or Windows Phone (or even MeeGo Harmattan on the N9). Or at least it wasn’t on the demo phone we got a look at. The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since its inception is still there, which is not a heartening thing to hear when you’re talking about a super-powered dual-core device like the Galaxy Nexus." http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-cream-sandwich-pictures-video-hands-on/ http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-...

ecspike 15y ago

I was able to play with the device for a couple of minutes and like Engadget found it to be smooth.