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He's on usenet, not torrenting. No need to keep or seed anything. OP is hoarding and attributing negative consequences of his own decision to a concept itself.

by Mo3 4y ago

Cyph0n 4y ago
And who do you think reuploads stuff after DMCA/NTD takedowns?
- Mo3 4y ago
  Im aware some people are busy hoarding data and providing it back to the ecosystem in these cases, but I fail to understand why or how the cost of this personal decision is in any way related to the cost of piracy, or why someone with this hobby would feel the need to complain about it, or publicly associate these costs with piracy itself. That’s illogical. It’s like mirroring Wikipedia on S3 and then publicly stating or even complaining that using Wikipedia costs hundreds of dollars.
  - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
    My copy of wikipedia is less than 100GB at the moment.
    - Mo3 4y ago
      Okay? And how is that relevant to the core issue at hand... hoarding all of this data is your own personal decision and has nothing to do with piracy in itself. That's the issue. You are obviously free to do whatever you want, but hoarding data and then associating the cost of the hoarding with the source of the data is totally illogical. Trying to one-up me on some stupid explanatory comparison makes me wonder if you are not simply deflecting responsibility off yourself and actually do hoard pathologically
      - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
        I'm not complaining about the costs associated with this. I'm living well within my means. If I was concerned about the money I could probably spend more of my time to find the content on sketchy streaming sites like putlocker. I'm not sure why so many of the replies in this article are trying to interpret my post as some kind of call for help. My point was that piracy is a service problem.
        Mo3 4y ago
        Again.. You are obviously free to do whatever you want, but hoarding data and then associating the source of the data with the cost of your data hoarding is totally illogical. Your personal expenses for hoarding data, or the practice of hoarding data, have nil correlation to piracy itself. To add to this at this point, > Streaming services still have significant service problems that need to be addressed. This connection is irrational as well - the name "streaming services" already implies that content is being streamed for viewing and not downloaded for storage. If you are under a different assumption, or concerning other issues with streaming services, yes, piracy might be a service problem, but on the other hand, there are options available to actually buy and download content that you can also store. Really, these associations you are seeing are incredibly irrational and this might be a contributing factor to people assuming this would be a call for help. I do not assume it is, data hoarding is not necessarily a problem in itself, but that doesn't make your invalid associations any more valid.
        pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
        >Your personal expenses for hoarding data have nil correlation to piracy itself. Yes, that's true. My point was that I'm already spending a lot of money to pirate, and that I would be spending that money to support the creators if something like steam existed. Not once did I say or even imply I was unhappy with that situation, not once did I imply that you needed to spend that kind of money in order to pirate. I simply said that I spend a lot of money on piracy, and that there's a significant service problem with streaming services. The implication one could draw from that is that if the service problems were improved I'd be giving the money to the creators, instead of spending it on hard drives. Instead some people seem to think this is some kind of an attack on piracy as being too expensive. Which is a reasonable mistake to make under the circumstances, if I could edit the post to clarify I would. I'd just appreciate it if you weren't so... aggressively misunderstanding. The reality is that I do a lot of other data-archival stuff on that server as well, and have made no claims about piracy being expensive. > This connection is irrational as well - the name "streaming services" already implies that content is being streamed for viewing and not downloaded for storage. Since you seem to care about rationality, try giving this a read: https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/A_Human%27s_Guide_to_Words https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/A_Human%27s_Guide_to_Words

He's on usenet, not torrenting. No need to keep or seed anything. OP is hoarding and attributing negative consequences of his own decision to a concept itself.

by Mo3 4y ago

He's on usenet, not torrenting. No need to keep or seed anything. OP is hoarding and attributing negative consequences of his own decision to a concept itself.

Cyph0n 4y ago

And who do you think reuploads stuff after DMCA/NTD takedowns?

Mo3 4y ago
Im aware some people are busy hoarding data and providing it back to the ecosystem in these cases, but I fail to understand why or how the cost of this personal decision is in any way related to the cost of piracy, or why someone with this hobby would feel the need to complain about it, or publicly associate these costs with piracy itself. That’s illogical. It’s like mirroring Wikipedia on S3 and then publicly stating or even complaining that using Wikipedia costs hundreds of dollars.
- pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
  My copy of wikipedia is less than 100GB at the moment.
  - Mo3 4y ago
    Okay? And how is that relevant to the core issue at hand... hoarding all of this data is your own personal decision and has nothing to do with piracy in itself. That's the issue. You are obviously free to do whatever you want, but hoarding data and then associating the cost of the hoarding with the source of the data is totally illogical. Trying to one-up me on some stupid explanatory comparison makes me wonder if you are not simply deflecting responsibility off yourself and actually do hoard pathologically
    - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
      I'm not complaining about the costs associated with this. I'm living well within my means. If I was concerned about the money I could probably spend more of my time to find the content on sketchy streaming sites like putlocker. I'm not sure why so many of the replies in this article are trying to interpret my post as some kind of call for help. My point was that piracy is a service problem.
      - Mo3 4y ago
        Again.. You are obviously free to do whatever you want, but hoarding data and then associating the source of the data with the cost of your data hoarding is totally illogical. Your personal expenses for hoarding data, or the practice of hoarding data, have nil correlation to piracy itself. To add to this at this point, > Streaming services still have significant service problems that need to be addressed. This connection is irrational as well - the name "streaming services" already implies that content is being streamed for viewing and not downloaded for storage. If you are under a different assumption, or concerning other issues with streaming services, yes, piracy might be a service problem, but on the other hand, there are options available to actually buy and download content that you can also store. Really, these associations you are seeing are incredibly irrational and this might be a contributing factor to people assuming this would be a call for help. I do not assume it is, data hoarding is not necessarily a problem in itself, but that doesn't make your invalid associations any more valid.
        pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
        >Your personal expenses for hoarding data have nil correlation to piracy itself. Yes, that's true. My point was that I'm already spending a lot of money to pirate, and that I would be spending that money to support the creators if something like steam existed. Not once did I say or even imply I was unhappy with that situation, not once did I imply that you needed to spend that kind of money in order to pirate. I simply said that I spend a lot of money on piracy, and that there's a significant service problem with streaming services. The implication one could draw from that is that if the service problems were improved I'd be giving the money to the creators, instead of spending it on hard drives. Instead some people seem to think this is some kind of an attack on piracy as being too expensive. Which is a reasonable mistake to make under the circumstances, if I could edit the post to clarify I would. I'd just appreciate it if you weren't so... aggressively misunderstanding. The reality is that I do a lot of other data-archival stuff on that server as well, and have made no claims about piracy being expensive. > This connection is irrational as well - the name "streaming services" already implies that content is being streamed for viewing and not downloaded for storage. Since you seem to care about rationality, try giving this a read: https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/A_Human%27s_Guide_to_Words https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/A_Human%27s_Guide_to_Words