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In what sense is data hoarding a problem? I’ve only ever heard the term used in jest, at least partially, and in particular not ever with the same severity tha

In what sense is data hoarding a problem? I’ve only ever heard the term used in jest, at least partially, and in particular not ever with the same severity that actual hoarding receives.

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colinmhayes 4y ago
Well it's costing this guy $45 a month apparently.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  $45 a month is a pretty cheap vice as far as things go, though. You could easily be spending $45 a month just on streaming services.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    Or he could spend $10 on the tracker, $10 to run a normal computer without 30 drives, and still watch all the same stuff for half the price.
    - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
      Maybe there are better usenet services that don't get holes punched in their collections as much, but generally on usenet you get missing episodes over time.
    - bluefirebrand 4y ago
      My interpretation of your original post was that you were saying spending $45 a month on this project illustrated that he has a problem. Is that accurate? How does the fact that he could be saving money support that?
      - colinmhayes 4y ago
        My interpretation of OPs post is that they felt they had a problem. I assumed that problem was the amount of money/time spent installing and upkeeping those drives.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    I have a much longer list of content that I want to watch on streaming services - and never care about rewatching - that I don’t even bother with pirating anymore. As far as $45. I spend less than that on streaming services. - Netflix $7 (T-mobile discount) - HBO Max - Free - bundled with AT&T fiber - Amazon Prime Video - I would have Amazon Prime anyway. But let’s attribute $6.00/month to it. - AppleTV+ - it’s part of a bundle. But let’s attribute $5/month to it. - Disney/Hulu no ads bundle - $14 - Paramount Plus - $10/month - no ads Besides, I travel a lot and it’s much more convenient to use streaming (unlimited data) than trying to maintain hardware. My Plex server has been down for a year. Admittedly- my wife and I do have the AMC Stubs+ movie pass ($50) because we actually enjoy going to the movies as part of date night.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      So you have different preferences than OP. OP mUst HAvE a Pr0Blem!!1!
    - bluefirebrand 4y ago
      According to the numbers you just posted, you are spending 42 a month on streaming services which, while it is strictly less than 45, I wouldn't say it's meaningfully less than 45. What point are you trying to make?
      - scarface74 4y ago
        > Besides, I travel a lot and it’s much more convenient to use streaming (unlimited data) than trying to maintain hardware. My Plex server has been down for a year.
- pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
  That server does a lot of other stuff. Controls zigbee devices, runs a small intranet search, handles internet archiving workloads... The hard drives are the main power cost though.
  - idkyall 4y ago
    How many drives do you have in your server? Or do you just have very high power costs? I thought drives consume ~7-9w unless they're very high RPM. Maybe consider upgrading to a few high density drives? Hard drive costs have corrected recently after the Chia craze last year.
    - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
      My estimate is that it's idling at ~250w. I'm admittedly fudging the details a bit, right now archive-team-warrior is using a lot of CPU because it's archiving telegram, and that's pushing the number up. Calculating it again the actual number is a bit lower than that, and it wasn't in US dollars.
      - pwg 4y ago
        With a Kill A Watt (or similar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_A_Watt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_A_Watt) meter, you don't have to estimate power usage, you can measure the actual power usage.
        pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
        I've got one, but it's being used for other stuff.
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nkrisc 4y ago
Like all "problems", it's only a problem if it has negative consequences for you. Drinking alcohol isn't a problem until it is. Collecting old newspapers isn't a problem until it is. Hoarding data isn't a problem until it is. This post seems a bit tongue-in-cheek, but if it's costing the OP more money than they'd like to spend on it, then it is a problem. Or maybe it's not.
- pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
  It's not, I'm living well within my means. If I was concerned about the money I could probably spend more of my time to find the content on sketchy streaming sites like putlocker.
  - ryandrake 4y ago
    [re-parenting this comment under OP] I don't think what you were describing is a "problem" at all. And it looks like you don't view at it as a problem, either. Not sure why so many of the replies in this article are trying to interpret your post as some kind of call for help. I hate the phrase "Data Hoarding" because the word hoarding has negative connotations that don't apply to collecting digital media. When you look at actual hoarders, their homes are disgusting, filled with trash, and not navigable. On the other hand, there are no negative effects of data "hoarding", besides maybe the cost of buying and powering hard drives. Most hobbies have monetary costs and don't carry negative connotations. It's no more of a problem than stamp collecting. We don't call people Stamp Hoarders.
    - nkrisc 4y ago
      Even data "hoarding" can be a problem for someone if it begins to consume their life. Sure, the physical consequences aren't as severe as hoarding old junk in your house, but it could possibly become a physical and mental problem for someone. Sure sounds like that is not the case for the OP, as it all sounded like a bit of a joke to begin with. But I'm sure you could find someone for whom data hoarding is a real problem that negatively affects their life if they feel compelled to constantly seek out stuff to archive and begin filling their house with storage media.
gtirloni 4y ago
When it causes undesired effects like spending more on hardware than you probably should.
- sophacles 4y ago
  > spending more on hardware than you probably should Should is a tricky word. What is OPs income? What's the rest of their budget look like. What standards are you applying to their spending habits? What hardships do your models forecast for OP as a result of their hobby? If you know what OP should do, presumably you have this data and can provide your numbers.
mitchdoogle 4y ago
Using a lot of resources so that one person has a bunch of digital information they'll never use or see again. It's a bit of a waste don't you think?
salawat 4y ago
I'd argue the only problematic data hoarders are the ones who've gone put of the way to monetize it (corporates). They tend to collect too much, literally sell to some of the most problematic groups on the planet (whether they realize it or not). I've yet to see a pirate who isn't basically a library. For the record, I don't require libraries to necessarily have to play nice with the Publishing Industrial Complex to be legitimate. Long live the Signal! May it spread far and wide! Fnord!

In what sense is data hoarding a problem? I’ve only ever heard the term used in jest, at least partially, and in particular not ever with the same severity that actual hoarding receives.

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colinmhayes 4y ago

Well it's costing this guy $45 a month apparently.

bluefirebrand 4y ago
$45 a month is a pretty cheap vice as far as things go, though. You could easily be spending $45 a month just on streaming services.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  Or he could spend $10 on the tracker, $10 to run a normal computer without 30 drives, and still watch all the same stuff for half the price.
  - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
    Maybe there are better usenet services that don't get holes punched in their collections as much, but generally on usenet you get missing episodes over time.
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    My interpretation of your original post was that you were saying spending $45 a month on this project illustrated that he has a problem. Is that accurate? How does the fact that he could be saving money support that?
    - colinmhayes 4y ago
      My interpretation of OPs post is that they felt they had a problem. I assumed that problem was the amount of money/time spent installing and upkeeping those drives.
- scarface74 4y ago
  I have a much longer list of content that I want to watch on streaming services - and never care about rewatching - that I don’t even bother with pirating anymore. As far as $45. I spend less than that on streaming services. - Netflix $7 (T-mobile discount) - HBO Max - Free - bundled with AT&T fiber - Amazon Prime Video - I would have Amazon Prime anyway. But let’s attribute $6.00/month to it. - AppleTV+ - it’s part of a bundle. But let’s attribute $5/month to it. - Disney/Hulu no ads bundle - $14 - Paramount Plus - $10/month - no ads Besides, I travel a lot and it’s much more convenient to use streaming (unlimited data) than trying to maintain hardware. My Plex server has been down for a year. Admittedly- my wife and I do have the AMC Stubs+ movie pass ($50) because we actually enjoy going to the movies as part of date night.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    So you have different preferences than OP. OP mUst HAvE a Pr0Blem!!1!
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    According to the numbers you just posted, you are spending 42 a month on streaming services which, while it is strictly less than 45, I wouldn't say it's meaningfully less than 45. What point are you trying to make?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      > Besides, I travel a lot and it’s much more convenient to use streaming (unlimited data) than trying to maintain hardware. My Plex server has been down for a year.
pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
That server does a lot of other stuff. Controls zigbee devices, runs a small intranet search, handles internet archiving workloads... The hard drives are the main power cost though.
- idkyall 4y ago
  How many drives do you have in your server? Or do you just have very high power costs? I thought drives consume ~7-9w unless they're very high RPM. Maybe consider upgrading to a few high density drives? Hard drive costs have corrected recently after the Chia craze last year.
  - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
    My estimate is that it's idling at ~250w. I'm admittedly fudging the details a bit, right now archive-team-warrior is using a lot of CPU because it's archiving telegram, and that's pushing the number up. Calculating it again the actual number is a bit lower than that, and it wasn't in US dollars.
    - pwg 4y ago
      With a Kill A Watt (or similar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_A_Watt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_A_Watt) meter, you don't have to estimate power usage, you can measure the actual power usage.
      - pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
        I've got one, but it's being used for other stuff.
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nkrisc 4y ago

Like all "problems", it's only a problem if it has negative consequences for you. Drinking alcohol isn't a problem until it is. Collecting old newspapers isn't a problem until it is. Hoarding data isn't a problem until it is. This post seems a bit tongue-in-cheek, but if it's costing the OP more money than they'd like to spend on it, then it is a problem. Or maybe it's not.

pirate-Loo6uoDu 4y ago
It's not, I'm living well within my means. If I was concerned about the money I could probably spend more of my time to find the content on sketchy streaming sites like putlocker.
- ryandrake 4y ago
  [re-parenting this comment under OP] I don't think what you were describing is a "problem" at all. And it looks like you don't view at it as a problem, either. Not sure why so many of the replies in this article are trying to interpret your post as some kind of call for help. I hate the phrase "Data Hoarding" because the word hoarding has negative connotations that don't apply to collecting digital media. When you look at actual hoarders, their homes are disgusting, filled with trash, and not navigable. On the other hand, there are no negative effects of data "hoarding", besides maybe the cost of buying and powering hard drives. Most hobbies have monetary costs and don't carry negative connotations. It's no more of a problem than stamp collecting. We don't call people Stamp Hoarders.
  - nkrisc 4y ago
    Even data "hoarding" can be a problem for someone if it begins to consume their life. Sure, the physical consequences aren't as severe as hoarding old junk in your house, but it could possibly become a physical and mental problem for someone. Sure sounds like that is not the case for the OP, as it all sounded like a bit of a joke to begin with. But I'm sure you could find someone for whom data hoarding is a real problem that negatively affects their life if they feel compelled to constantly seek out stuff to archive and begin filling their house with storage media.

gtirloni 4y ago

When it causes undesired effects like spending more on hardware than you probably should.

sophacles 4y ago
> spending more on hardware than you probably should Should is a tricky word. What is OPs income? What's the rest of their budget look like. What standards are you applying to their spending habits? What hardships do your models forecast for OP as a result of their hobby? If you know what OP should do, presumably you have this data and can provide your numbers.

mitchdoogle 4y ago

Using a lot of resources so that one person has a bunch of digital information they'll never use or see again. It's a bit of a waste don't you think?

salawat 4y ago

I'd argue the only problematic data hoarders are the ones who've gone put of the way to monetize it (corporates). They tend to collect too much, literally sell to some of the most problematic groups on the planet (whether they realize it or not). I've yet to see a pirate who isn't basically a library. For the record, I don't require libraries to necessarily have to play nice with the Publishing Industrial Complex to be legitimate. Long live the Signal! May it spread far and wide! Fnord!