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I absolutely don't buy into either of these views. As a person in long term recovery from alcohol and drug addiction, and someone that has been to thousands of

I absolutely don't buy into either of these views. As a person in long term recovery from alcohol and drug addiction, and someone that has been to thousands of support meetings, and known many many people that have recovered from horrible circumstances, my advice is, ignore these two posts. It just is not true.

bowsamic 4y ago
> As a person in long term recovery from alcohol and drug addiction What has this got to do with anything? Dysthymia isn't an addiction or "horrible circumstances". It isn't even particularly severe, it's just moderately meh all the time. Most people don't seek treatment because they assume it's just part of their personality: "I'm just a negative person" or "I just don't like making friends" etc. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Studies that say that dysthymia remission is 50% define remission as "receiving 'Tools to handle life'". It's about coping, not about treatment. One who has dysthymia may never have long term responses like a person without it, there is no reason to expect it, and we have very little idea how to treat it long term. The best we can do is improve the person's response to dysthymic feelings. Just because you recovered from alcoholism doesn't immediately translate to dysthymia. They call it "permanent depression" for a reason.
- BubbleRings 4y ago
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    Please try and be less rude I already said it isn’t like normal depression, you ignored this… Unfortunately in the dysthymia community we have to deal with a lot of people that are ignorant to the disorder, you sound like you haven’t even heard the word dysthymia before today. Most people, even many doctors, are not properly aware of it. You should research it
    - ghostbrainalpha 4y ago
      Have you ever tried something more extreme to cope, like Ayahuasca? I went from being a majorly depressed person and suicidal to being a lightly depressed, non suicidal person and I think Ayahuasca contributed to that.
      - bowsamic 4y ago
        I tried LSD and it made me severely suicidal. I had to take up a religion to not kill myself. On the dysthymia front, I’ve had it constantly since age 9 and am now 27. It’s not something I expect to change. Most people who have dysthymia learn coping mechanisms rather than trying to actually cure it. Major Depression on the other hand (which in my case would be a double depression) is more severe and more treatable Dysthymia is already “lightly depressed”. LSD made me majorly feel unfit for this reality. And yes the set and setting were great both times, I’m just very unlucky
        ghostbrainalpha 4y ago
        Ya, I would definitely have guessed LSD would be a terrible idea. Ayahuasca is an entirely different kind of thing.
        bowsamic 4y ago
        It still sounds like a very scary experience
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    To me it seems like you’re so attached to your success stories that you cannot accept that sometimes there isn’t a light at the end of the tunnel. It seems like you deal with reality by thinking that everyone can deal with their problems. Time to wake up to the truth: some people will die with their illnesses, and some illnesses are more treatment resistant than others. I’m sorry that this isn’t a flowery enough story for you, I really am. One day your bubble will burst
    - BubbleRings 4y ago
      > One day your bubble will burst Now you are wishing it on others? Sorry, not going to happen.
      - bowsamic 4y ago
        The bubble that will burst will be your belief that all people can be cured

bowsamic 4y ago

> As a person in long term recovery from alcohol and drug addiction What has this got to do with anything? Dysthymia isn't an addiction or "horrible circumstances". It isn't even particularly severe, it's just moderately meh all the time. Most people don't seek treatment because they assume it's just part of their personality: "I'm just a negative person" or "I just don't like making friends" etc. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Studies that say that dysthymia remission is 50% define remission as "receiving 'Tools to handle life'". It's about coping, not about treatment. One who has dysthymia may never have long term responses like a person without it, there is no reason to expect it, and we have very little idea how to treat it long term. The best we can do is improve the person's response to dysthymic feelings. Just because you recovered from alcoholism doesn't immediately translate to dysthymia. They call it "permanent depression" for a reason.

BubbleRings 4y ago
- bowsamic 4y ago
  Please try and be less rude I already said it isn’t like normal depression, you ignored this… Unfortunately in the dysthymia community we have to deal with a lot of people that are ignorant to the disorder, you sound like you haven’t even heard the word dysthymia before today. Most people, even many doctors, are not properly aware of it. You should research it
  - ghostbrainalpha 4y ago
    Have you ever tried something more extreme to cope, like Ayahuasca? I went from being a majorly depressed person and suicidal to being a lightly depressed, non suicidal person and I think Ayahuasca contributed to that.
    - bowsamic 4y ago
      I tried LSD and it made me severely suicidal. I had to take up a religion to not kill myself. On the dysthymia front, I’ve had it constantly since age 9 and am now 27. It’s not something I expect to change. Most people who have dysthymia learn coping mechanisms rather than trying to actually cure it. Major Depression on the other hand (which in my case would be a double depression) is more severe and more treatable Dysthymia is already “lightly depressed”. LSD made me majorly feel unfit for this reality. And yes the set and setting were great both times, I’m just very unlucky
      - ghostbrainalpha 4y ago
        Ya, I would definitely have guessed LSD would be a terrible idea. Ayahuasca is an entirely different kind of thing.
        bowsamic 4y ago
        It still sounds like a very scary experience
- bowsamic 4y ago
  To me it seems like you’re so attached to your success stories that you cannot accept that sometimes there isn’t a light at the end of the tunnel. It seems like you deal with reality by thinking that everyone can deal with their problems. Time to wake up to the truth: some people will die with their illnesses, and some illnesses are more treatment resistant than others. I’m sorry that this isn’t a flowery enough story for you, I really am. One day your bubble will burst
  - BubbleRings 4y ago
    > One day your bubble will burst Now you are wishing it on others? Sorry, not going to happen.
    - bowsamic 4y ago
      The bubble that will burst will be your belief that all people can be cured