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Exactly the kind of engineering team I want in charge of self driving vehicles all over the streets.

by mhoad 4y ago

jiggawatts 4y ago
This may sound like a flippant comment, but it cuts to the heart of the matter: In every aspect, Tesla cars demonstrate that their engineering is shoddy. Low-quality, slapped-together, and patched-after-the-fact. They just don't have quality in their soul. We should trust these people with... how did Elon Musk put it... "Two ton death machines"
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago
  "Giant lithium-ion battery fire." Electric vehicle battery fires can take up to 25,000 gallons of water to extinguish. Combustion engine vehicle fires typically take up to 300 gallons to extinguish. Tesla actually recommmends that firefighters let the battery burnt out rather than try to extinguish the fire. Perhaps someday we will see some researchers perform a remotely-triggered "halt and catch fire" exploit on a "Tesla Energy Product".
  - samatman 4y ago
    Or the phone in your pocket, I bet thermal runaway there would injure you quite badly. In the meantime your last paragraph is FUD.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  To be honest, I don't think their engineering is necessarily shoddy. Their EV tech was top of the line and is still in the high quality segment despite competitors catching up. Their batteries are quite safe, as far as giant lithium containers can be, and the accident where a Tesla accelerated into a concrete wall without bursting into flames underlines that in my opinion. The problem with Tesla is basically everything except the car part. Self-driving is overpromised and underdelivered. UI and UX is designed by madmen who think touch controls are acceptable for important driving related functionality. Their steering wheel is not even always a wheel. The fit and finish of their cars is basically a lottery; your body panels may or may not all fit well together. I think this is why Tesla is doomed to eventually fail. Competitors are catching up quickly and they don't have the terrible Tesla factor when it comes to product finish. The only thing that sets Tesla apart from other luxury brands is their weird proprietary charger, their promises of self driving and their brand image. It's a shame, really, because the engineering on what makes the car move seems to be outstanding.
  - oblio 4y ago
    A players on the drive train, C players on everything else. Everyone else seems to have B players on the drive train, but ramping up to A- players, and at least B players if not A players on everything else.
hef19898 4y ago
This gives "cutting corners" a new meaning.
diebeforei485 4y ago
It's a limitation of Bluetooth, which is what phones use. I don't think it's bad engineering on Tesla's part. Given this limitation however, they should highly encourage a passcode to actually drive.

Exactly the kind of engineering team I want in charge of self driving vehicles all over the streets.

by mhoad 4y ago

Exactly the kind of engineering team I want in charge of self driving vehicles all over the streets.

This may sound like a flippant comment, but it cuts to the heart of the matter: In every aspect, Tesla cars demonstrate that their engineering is shoddy. Low-quality, slapped-together, and patched-after-the-fact. They just don't have quality in their soul. We should trust these people with... how did Elon Musk put it... "Two ton death machines"

1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago
"Giant lithium-ion battery fire." Electric vehicle battery fires can take up to 25,000 gallons of water to extinguish. Combustion engine vehicle fires typically take up to 300 gallons to extinguish. Tesla actually recommmends that firefighters let the battery burnt out rather than try to extinguish the fire. Perhaps someday we will see some researchers perform a remotely-triggered "halt and catch fire" exploit on a "Tesla Energy Product".
- samatman 4y ago
  Or the phone in your pocket, I bet thermal runaway there would injure you quite badly. In the meantime your last paragraph is FUD.
jeroenhd 4y ago
To be honest, I don't think their engineering is necessarily shoddy. Their EV tech was top of the line and is still in the high quality segment despite competitors catching up. Their batteries are quite safe, as far as giant lithium containers can be, and the accident where a Tesla accelerated into a concrete wall without bursting into flames underlines that in my opinion. The problem with Tesla is basically everything except the car part. Self-driving is overpromised and underdelivered. UI and UX is designed by madmen who think touch controls are acceptable for important driving related functionality. Their steering wheel is not even always a wheel. The fit and finish of their cars is basically a lottery; your body panels may or may not all fit well together. I think this is why Tesla is doomed to eventually fail. Competitors are catching up quickly and they don't have the terrible Tesla factor when it comes to product finish. The only thing that sets Tesla apart from other luxury brands is their weird proprietary charger, their promises of self driving and their brand image. It's a shame, really, because the engineering on what makes the car move seems to be outstanding.
- oblio 4y ago
  A players on the drive train, C players on everything else. Everyone else seems to have B players on the drive train, but ramping up to A- players, and at least B players if not A players on everything else.

hef19898 4y ago

This gives "cutting corners" a new meaning.

diebeforei485 4y ago

It's a limitation of Bluetooth, which is what phones use. I don't think it's bad engineering on Tesla's part. Given this limitation however, they should highly encourage a passcode to actually drive.