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It is true, not sure why there are downvotes. US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful even if it's pissing off the locals a bit these days. I've b

by safog 4y ago

It is true, not sure why there are downvotes. US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful even if it's pissing off the locals a bit these days. I've been saying for a while that US and Canada have been playing a zero sum game for Dev jobs. US' loss is Canada's gain.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful EU immigration for non-EU citizens is also very simple, basically just a rubber stamp nowadays in Countries like Germany for example.
- thesimon 4y ago
  Important for keeping salaries low and exporting cheaply, because the minimum salary requirement for non-EU citizens is lower for jobs in high demand.
- harpratap 4y ago
  Canada and Australia go further with easier immigration process for first degree relatives, which is important in Asian culture. In Germany, for example, you need to be a minor in order to bring your parents or prove "exceptional hardship" [0] [0] - https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunification-parents-with-adult-children/?lang=en https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunif...
  - heffer 4y ago
    Yes, playing the lottery is easy. Winning the lottery, not so much. Canada does not currently have a viable immigration model for non-dependents immigration. The Parents-Grandparents stream takes 30,000 applications a year through a lottery system because demand is so high. So it could take many years before you get to bring your parents.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      Canada has social healthcare that is already stretched to its limits in many areas. I'm not sure they can afford to take in every relative who wants to come but has never paid into healthcare.
      - mrgill 4y ago
        That's easy, make it so that unlimited amounts of parents can come if the child is a citizen, but they'll have to buy their own insurance.
        LegitShady 4y ago
        It's not easy, because capacity is an issue, not just payment. Similarly housing, similarly other services. Canada already has massive immigration relative to its population - the built environment and capacity for services hasn't increased relative to that immigration. It doesn't matter what insurance you have when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI, etc etc. Allowing "unlimited" parents per immigrant is essentially tripling immigration on its own. Maybe the answer isn't "limitless immigration" when the problem is lack of housing, capacity, and services. In my opinion canada's immigration policies are already unsustainable and have cost a huge portion of the canadian population in quality of life.
        triceratops 4y ago
        > when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI But why, though? Aren't there any surgeons among the immigrants? Don't immigrants generate tax revenues to pay for new infra?
        LegitShady 4y ago
        >but why, though? Aren't there any surgeons among the immigrants? because they can pick up and move to the states and double or triple their income, so the surgeons have to be people who expressly wish to stay in canada over increase their income. > Don't immigrants generate tax revenues to pay for new infra? that has not been the case so far. Housing, healthcare, etc are in crisis in canada. meanwhile the government is allowing fast food restaurants to import temporary workers.
  - mrgill 4y ago
    Canada only allows like 10-20k parental PRs each year, and 100s of thousands of people apply for it each year (and increasing). Not really any good. Compare that to the US where your parents get a GC no questions asked if you're a citizen.
    - harpratap 4y ago
      > if you're a citizen Almost any country in the world allows you to bring your parents if you are a citizen. The path to citizenship in US is very very long. Canada allows this while you are on a PR. And not every immigrant is happy to change citizenship, it's a much riskier bet than being a PR.

by safog 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful EU immigration for non-EU citizens is also very simple, basically just a rubber stamp nowadays in Countries like Germany for example.

thesimon 4y ago
Important for keeping salaries low and exporting cheaply, because the minimum salary requirement for non-EU citizens is lower for jobs in high demand.
harpratap 4y ago
Canada and Australia go further with easier immigration process for first degree relatives, which is important in Asian culture. In Germany, for example, you need to be a minor in order to bring your parents or prove "exceptional hardship" [0] [0] - https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunification-parents-with-adult-children/?lang=en https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunif...
- heffer 4y ago
  Yes, playing the lottery is easy. Winning the lottery, not so much. Canada does not currently have a viable immigration model for non-dependents immigration. The Parents-Grandparents stream takes 30,000 applications a year through a lottery system because demand is so high. So it could take many years before you get to bring your parents.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    Canada has social healthcare that is already stretched to its limits in many areas. I'm not sure they can afford to take in every relative who wants to come but has never paid into healthcare.
    - mrgill 4y ago
      That's easy, make it so that unlimited amounts of parents can come if the child is a citizen, but they'll have to buy their own insurance.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        It's not easy, because capacity is an issue, not just payment. Similarly housing, similarly other services. Canada already has massive immigration relative to its population - the built environment and capacity for services hasn't increased relative to that immigration. It doesn't matter what insurance you have when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI, etc etc. Allowing "unlimited" parents per immigrant is essentially tripling immigration on its own. Maybe the answer isn't "limitless immigration" when the problem is lack of housing, capacity, and services. In my opinion canada's immigration policies are already unsustainable and have cost a huge portion of the canadian population in quality of life.
        triceratops 4y ago
        > when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI But why, though? Aren't there any surgeons among the immigrants? Don't immigrants generate tax revenues to pay for new infra?
        LegitShady 4y ago
        >but why, though? Aren't there any surgeons among the immigrants? because they can pick up and move to the states and double or triple their income, so the surgeons have to be people who expressly wish to stay in canada over increase their income. > Don't immigrants generate tax revenues to pay for new infra? that has not been the case so far. Housing, healthcare, etc are in crisis in canada. meanwhile the government is allowing fast food restaurants to import temporary workers.
- mrgill 4y ago
  Canada only allows like 10-20k parental PRs each year, and 100s of thousands of people apply for it each year (and increasing). Not really any good. Compare that to the US where your parents get a GC no questions asked if you're a citizen.
  - harpratap 4y ago
    > if you're a citizen Almost any country in the world allows you to bring your parents if you are a citizen. The path to citizenship in US is very very long. Canada allows this while you are on a PR. And not every immigrant is happy to change citizenship, it's a much riskier bet than being a PR.