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Expect a lot of Indian and Chinese developers to move here from the U.S. as the prospect of having any stability in the US basically disappears. We’ve had abou

Expect a lot of Indian and Chinese developers to move here from the U.S. as the prospect of having any stability in the US basically disappears. We’ve had about 4 developers move to Canada already. I wouldn’t be surprised if retaining these developers is one of Microsoft’s intended goals of this “HQ”.

safog 4y ago
It is true, not sure why there are downvotes. US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful even if it's pissing off the locals a bit these days. I've been saying for a while that US and Canada have been playing a zero sum game for Dev jobs. US' loss is Canada's gain.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful EU immigration for non-EU citizens is also very simple, basically just a rubber stamp nowadays in Countries like Germany for example.
  - thesimon 4y ago
    Important for keeping salaries low and exporting cheaply, because the minimum salary requirement for non-EU citizens is lower for jobs in high demand.
  - harpratap 4y ago
    Canada and Australia go further with easier immigration process for first degree relatives, which is important in Asian culture. In Germany, for example, you need to be a minor in order to bring your parents or prove "exceptional hardship" [0] [0] - https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunification-parents-with-adult-children/?lang=en https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunif...
    - heffer 4y ago
      Yes, playing the lottery is easy. Winning the lottery, not so much. Canada does not currently have a viable immigration model for non-dependents immigration. The Parents-Grandparents stream takes 30,000 applications a year through a lottery system because demand is so high. So it could take many years before you get to bring your parents.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        Canada has social healthcare that is already stretched to its limits in many areas. I'm not sure they can afford to take in every relative who wants to come but has never paid into healthcare.
        mrgill 4y ago
        That's easy, make it so that unlimited amounts of parents can come if the child is a citizen, but they'll have to buy their own insurance.
        LegitShady 4y ago
        It's not easy, because capacity is an issue, not just payment. Similarly housing, similarly other services. Canada already has massive immigration relative to its population - the built environment and capacity for services hasn't increased relative to that immigration. It doesn't matter what insurance you have when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI, etc etc. Allowing "unlimited" parents per immigrant is essentially tripling immigration on its own. Maybe the answer isn't "limitless immigration" when the problem is lack of housing, capacity, and services. In my opinion canada's immigration policies are already unsustainable and have cost a huge portion of the canadian population in quality of life.
        triceratops 4y ago
        > when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI But why, though? Aren't there any surgeons among the immigrants? Don't immigrants generate tax revenues to pay for new infra?
j1elo 4y ago
First thing I thought: rents in Toronto are just going to go up even higher! When a big company opens a new office in your city, it's half good news, half worrying news...
bregma 4y ago
It's no easier for an American to immigrate to Canada than for someone from (almost) any other country. It's particularly hard for a non-American to immigrate to Canada from America. It's important to be careful about how much of your own propaganda you believe.
- avl999 4y ago
  Not true... it is much easier for an American to move to Canada (and vice verse) due to the TN Visa. Essentially no process or redtape, all you need is an job offer in one of the qualifying professions (Software Engineering is one of them) and an American can literally present that to immigration 2 hours before their flight at the airport and get a visa stamped on their passport.

safog 4y ago

It is true, not sure why there are downvotes. US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful even if it's pissing off the locals a bit these days. I've been saying for a while that US and Canada have been playing a zero sum game for Dev jobs. US' loss is Canada's gain.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>US immigration is a mess and Canada's is delightful EU immigration for non-EU citizens is also very simple, basically just a rubber stamp nowadays in Countries like Germany for example.
- thesimon 4y ago
  Important for keeping salaries low and exporting cheaply, because the minimum salary requirement for non-EU citizens is lower for jobs in high demand.
- harpratap 4y ago
  Canada and Australia go further with easier immigration process for first degree relatives, which is important in Asian culture. In Germany, for example, you need to be a minor in order to bring your parents or prove "exceptional hardship" [0] [0] - https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunification-parents-with-adult-children/?lang=en https://se-legal.de/immigration-lawyer-germany/family-reunif...
  - heffer 4y ago
    Yes, playing the lottery is easy. Winning the lottery, not so much. Canada does not currently have a viable immigration model for non-dependents immigration. The Parents-Grandparents stream takes 30,000 applications a year through a lottery system because demand is so high. So it could take many years before you get to bring your parents.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      Canada has social healthcare that is already stretched to its limits in many areas. I'm not sure they can afford to take in every relative who wants to come but has never paid into healthcare.
      - mrgill 4y ago
        That's easy, make it so that unlimited amounts of parents can come if the child is a citizen, but they'll have to buy their own insurance.
        LegitShady 4y ago
        It's not easy, because capacity is an issue, not just payment. Similarly housing, similarly other services. Canada already has massive immigration relative to its population - the built environment and capacity for services hasn't increased relative to that immigration. It doesn't matter what insurance you have when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI, etc etc. Allowing "unlimited" parents per immigrant is essentially tripling immigration on its own. Maybe the answer isn't "limitless immigration" when the problem is lack of housing, capacity, and services. In my opinion canada's immigration policies are already unsustainable and have cost a huge portion of the canadian population in quality of life.
        triceratops 4y ago
        > when there aren't enough surgeons, 130+ days wait for an MRI But why, though? Aren't there any surgeons among the immigrants? Don't immigrants generate tax revenues to pay for new infra?

j1elo 4y ago

First thing I thought: rents in Toronto are just going to go up even higher! When a big company opens a new office in your city, it's half good news, half worrying news...

bregma 4y ago

It's no easier for an American to immigrate to Canada than for someone from (almost) any other country. It's particularly hard for a non-American to immigrate to Canada from America. It's important to be careful about how much of your own propaganda you believe.

avl999 4y ago
Not true... it is much easier for an American to move to Canada (and vice verse) due to the TN Visa. Essentially no process or redtape, all you need is an job offer in one of the qualifying professions (Software Engineering is one of them) and an American can literally present that to immigration 2 hours before their flight at the airport and get a visa stamped on their passport.