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Social media isn't the world, or a big matter. One can still read/engage with the news without having to deal with as many dark patterns. We don't have a public

by drekk 4y ago

Social media isn't the world, or a big matter. One can still read/engage with the news without having to deal with as many dark patterns. We don't have a public digital square, but I'm not going to help Zuckerberg et al further privatize it at my own mental expense.

tayo42 4y ago
idk about that, a lot of news sources feel like they're optimizing for clicks too. where is some boring neutral news? then am i to broken to even stick with something like at this point lol maybe i need the clickbait i agree with the main point, social media isnt the world. i think people forget that
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  They are, because they're competing for people's attention through social media. And so, Facebook's dark patterns to some extent poison everything.
- jfim 4y ago
  There are some news sources that are less click baity and partisan, such as Axios, DW, or Reuters. If you can read French, courrier international is decent too.
  - pjerem 4y ago
    Courrier International is totally worth the reading and its concept is pretty smart : most of their article are just translated articles from foreign ( = not France based) newspapers. It allows the reader to get a view of the current topics from the outside of the country. Furthermore, by its nature of being translated, this newspaper have to be "slow" and can’t fall under the "breaking news" clickbait temptation.
- Syonyk 4y ago
  > where is some boring neutral news? In print form. That comes to your physical mailbox. Newspapers are OK, but magazines are better, if you want "State of the world, processed and digested, after the fact, without the outrage of the moment leaking in." I subscribe to... honestly more than I get around to reading fully, but part of it is to simply say, "Yes, I value this type of writing and information, please keep producing it."
- em500 4y ago
  > where is some boring neutral news? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events (And to a much lesser extend, https://text.npr.org/ https://text.npr.org/)
Hamuko 4y ago
>One can still read/engage with the news without having to deal with as many dark patterns. Is it the dark patterns that are causing anxiety and depression?
- rektide 4y ago
  If anything I think my social media feeds/friends have far far more nuance & balance, accept the duality of existence & show it off, far far far more than the bland & polemic media/news. Imo the social media panic is mostly people afraid of genuineness & earnesty, or people jist afraid of an idea they dont at all have any connection to or understanding of. There is a very very real problem that this world lacks accessible role models. That we dont know who to look to, that we dont have local examples. That's not a social media problem: that's just ehat happens when the well-to-do parts of the economy stratify up & up & up & real living gets trashy cheap & hard. Some people fall for the shallow signs that are projected, on social media or in other cultural distribution mechanisms (music is a big longstanding distributor of cultue for example). But the lack of real meaning far far far outstripsy concern with social mediacs ability to let shallow symbols spread.

by drekk 4y ago

tayo42 4y ago

idk about that, a lot of news sources feel like they're optimizing for clicks too. where is some boring neutral news? then am i to broken to even stick with something like at this point lol maybe i need the clickbait i agree with the main point, social media isnt the world. i think people forget that

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
They are, because they're competing for people's attention through social media. And so, Facebook's dark patterns to some extent poison everything.
jfim 4y ago
There are some news sources that are less click baity and partisan, such as Axios, DW, or Reuters. If you can read French, courrier international is decent too.
- pjerem 4y ago
  Courrier International is totally worth the reading and its concept is pretty smart : most of their article are just translated articles from foreign ( = not France based) newspapers. It allows the reader to get a view of the current topics from the outside of the country. Furthermore, by its nature of being translated, this newspaper have to be "slow" and can’t fall under the "breaking news" clickbait temptation.
Syonyk 4y ago
> where is some boring neutral news? In print form. That comes to your physical mailbox. Newspapers are OK, but magazines are better, if you want "State of the world, processed and digested, after the fact, without the outrage of the moment leaking in." I subscribe to... honestly more than I get around to reading fully, but part of it is to simply say, "Yes, I value this type of writing and information, please keep producing it."
em500 4y ago
> where is some boring neutral news? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events (And to a much lesser extend, https://text.npr.org/ https://text.npr.org/)

Hamuko 4y ago

>One can still read/engage with the news without having to deal with as many dark patterns. Is it the dark patterns that are causing anxiety and depression?

rektide 4y ago
If anything I think my social media feeds/friends have far far more nuance & balance, accept the duality of existence & show it off, far far far more than the bland & polemic media/news. Imo the social media panic is mostly people afraid of genuineness & earnesty, or people jist afraid of an idea they dont at all have any connection to or understanding of. There is a very very real problem that this world lacks accessible role models. That we dont know who to look to, that we dont have local examples. That's not a social media problem: that's just ehat happens when the well-to-do parts of the economy stratify up & up & up & real living gets trashy cheap & hard. Some people fall for the shallow signs that are projected, on social media or in other cultural distribution mechanisms (music is a big longstanding distributor of cultue for example). But the lack of real meaning far far far outstripsy concern with social mediacs ability to let shallow symbols spread.