> And if we kill a few hundred or thousand innocent passengers and/or pedestrians along the way... So you're just going to make up numbers to be outraged at?

> And if we kill a few hundred or thousand innocent passengers and/or pedestrians along the way... So you're just going to make up numbers to be outraged at? As far as I know, no innocent passengers or pedestrians have been killed as a result of FSD. I imagine it would be big news as the (relatively few) Autopilot accident have been. It should be common sense to assume that FSD would be halted by Tesla themselves, or at least a government agency, if there were huge numbers of people dying. We only have safe and cheap air travel and safe cars today because many thousands of people died beta testing them. This is basic history that everyone should know. When it comes to high speed transportation, there's simply no way to avoid significant risk while making significant progress. The best we can do is make intelligent trade offs, which is my entire point.