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I seriously doubt GSuite legacy was a huge spam vector. You still have to send mail through Google's gmail infrastructure and be beholden to all the spam, abus

I seriously doubt GSuite legacy was a huge spam vector. You still have to send mail through Google's gmail infrastructure and be beholden to all the spam, abuse, etc. mitigations in place there. GCE is probably a bigger source of spam with people spinning up a VM, cranking out millions of SMTP requests, and dipping out.

advisedwang 4y ago
GCE blocks outbound port 25 (https://cloud.google.com/vpc/docs/firewalls#blockedtraffic https://cloud.google.com/vpc/docs/firewalls#blockedtraffic)
filmgirlcw 4y ago
Well, it wasn't just Google. Microsoft cut out the free custom email domain for OneDrive, Zoho cut theirs way down -- so my feeling is that it had to have been abused in some way, even if it wasn't strictly spam.
- Alupis 4y ago
  That's the thing though... it doesn't need to be free, it can have some cost - just not $6 per user per month. That's difficult to justify for fun/vanity/family email addresses. $6 monthly with unlimited (or some high number) of family member users would be fine. Any cost at all will limit spammers.
  - daydream 4y ago
    It looks like Microsoft 365 Family will get you 6 users, 1 TB storage each user, a custom domain, plus a bunch of Office apps for $99 a year. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/microsoft-365-family/cfq7ttc0k5dm?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/microsoft-36...
    - filmgirlcw 4y ago
      Yeah, there’s been mixed success on the custom domain part of that I think, otherwise I would have moved long ago because I get Office for $20 a year (former Microsoft employee), but I’ll definitely look into that. I’m happy to pay. I’m not willing to pay $25 - $30 a month for basic email just because I want separate inboxes and a custom domain.
    - Alupis 4y ago
      The custom domain option is only available for those who use GoDaddy as their registrar (which is not an option I'm willing to consider), plus they imply only the free domains (outlook.com, hotmail.com, msn.com, etc) get attachment screening, and email encryption.
      - paulhart 4y ago
        You also don't get aliases with O365 Personal - you need to subscribe to a business plan for that.
        throwaway_4988 4y ago
        https://account.live.com/AddAssocId https://account.live.com/AddAssocId
  - prawn 4y ago
    I agree. And given that it's legacy, surely you can just weed out the abusers and leave the legitimate users that signed up when you promised it was free?
    - shapefrog 4y ago
      Given nobody has been able to sign up for one of these legacy accounts for 10 years they should really know who is who by now.
jsmith99 4y ago
Google block outgoing SMTP on port 25

advisedwang 4y ago

GCE blocks outbound port 25 (https://cloud.google.com/vpc/docs/firewalls#blockedtraffic https://cloud.google.com/vpc/docs/firewalls#blockedtraffic)

filmgirlcw 4y ago

Well, it wasn't just Google. Microsoft cut out the free custom email domain for OneDrive, Zoho cut theirs way down -- so my feeling is that it had to have been abused in some way, even if it wasn't strictly spam.

Alupis 4y ago
That's the thing though... it doesn't need to be free, it can have some cost - just not $6 per user per month. That's difficult to justify for fun/vanity/family email addresses. $6 monthly with unlimited (or some high number) of family member users would be fine. Any cost at all will limit spammers.
- daydream 4y ago
  It looks like Microsoft 365 Family will get you 6 users, 1 TB storage each user, a custom domain, plus a bunch of Office apps for $99 a year. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/microsoft-365-family/cfq7ttc0k5dm?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/microsoft-36...
  - filmgirlcw 4y ago
    Yeah, there’s been mixed success on the custom domain part of that I think, otherwise I would have moved long ago because I get Office for $20 a year (former Microsoft employee), but I’ll definitely look into that. I’m happy to pay. I’m not willing to pay $25 - $30 a month for basic email just because I want separate inboxes and a custom domain.
  - Alupis 4y ago
    The custom domain option is only available for those who use GoDaddy as their registrar (which is not an option I'm willing to consider), plus they imply only the free domains (outlook.com, hotmail.com, msn.com, etc) get attachment screening, and email encryption.
    - paulhart 4y ago
      You also don't get aliases with O365 Personal - you need to subscribe to a business plan for that.
      - throwaway_4988 4y ago
        https://account.live.com/AddAssocId https://account.live.com/AddAssocId
- prawn 4y ago
  I agree. And given that it's legacy, surely you can just weed out the abusers and leave the legitimate users that signed up when you promised it was free?
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    Given nobody has been able to sign up for one of these legacy accounts for 10 years they should really know who is who by now.

jsmith99 4y ago

Google block outgoing SMTP on port 25