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BitTorrent Throttling Internet Providers Exposed
- Legion 15y agoComcast has gone from being synonymous with Bittorrent throttling to making the "best" list for lowest throttlers.
- jerf 15y agoThis is why when Comcast announced its bandwidth limit policy, I actually cheered rather than jeered. By solving the problem correctly, they eliminated their need to solve it incorrectly. I only sort of wish you could pay for more bandwidth, though that's an abstract concern as my worst month ever barely cracked 1/3 usage. (But I know others can have issues.)
- joshAg 15y agoI don't even think the monthly bandwidth policy is enforced that strictly. I built a new gaming computer a couple months ago, and needed to redownload my steam library and a few other things. Long story short, I grabbed 1.5 TiB over the course of a week, and comcast has yet to complain.
- j_baker 15y agoYou have to exceed it twice in a 6-month period for them to contact you. The third time, your service may be suspended for a year. http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?Guid=ce29dfac-73d9-4cb4-b433-70abe3b295e6#excessive6 http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?Guid=ce29df...
- dotBen 15y agoI have it on good authority that converting your residential account to a business account (~25% more expensive) will 'remove' Comcast's bandwidth limits (or have them turn a blind eye, etc). If you don't want to pay the extra, often downgrading the line to the business equivalent of the speed tier below what you are currently using on your residential package will net out a similar monthly fee. They have better contention ratios on Business accounts and so you may even see faster speeds at that lower tier.
- khafra 15y agoInteresting. Will that improve latency, as well? I have a 50mpbs connection, but I'd be happy with a 10mbps if it didn't take 45 seconds to load reddit.
- dotBen 15y agoIt might in general, but Reddit's bottleneck might be their own servers. We downgraded a 50Mbps Comcast line to a 25Mbps line and I honestly couldn't see much difference in terms of actual page load time, file download speeds etc but we saved some $
- learc83 15y agoYes this works. I upgraded to business class because I was going over the limit. Now I use 300-500GB every month with no problems. Also they have a thing where you can pay an extra $5 to get basic TV (local channels, weather channel public access etc...). It works out to be cheaper than residential internet + basic channels.
- ceejayoz 15y ago> By solving the problem correctly, they eliminated their need to solve it incorrectly. A correct solution would include a guaranteed increase in the cap yearly (at least) based on the rate of bandwidth usage inflation. I've used massively more bandwidth every year as things like streaming, HD video, etc. become commonplace.
- j_baker 15y agoIt's certainly better than throttling BitTorrent, but it's very easy to go over if you get 2 or 3 techies living together. Personally, I think the whole thing is somewhat anti-competitive. It discourages people from using services like Hulu or Netflix and encourages them to buy TV service from their cable provider. And plus, I don't buy the "Our networks can't handle the strain!" argument companies like Comcast keep bringing up. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, 250 GB of data isn't that much for a company the size of Comcast.
- xenophanes 15y agocap with no ability to pay for more is not "solving the problem correctly". I use a multiple of the cap every month and I have a roommate who often uses at least the cap himself. Imagine a family of 5 where everyone actually uses the internet. The cap would not work. If you break the cap twice there are no overage charges, they just disconnect you for a year, no matter what you're willing to pay. When they called me and said "use less or use nothing" and refused to suggest any way to let me pay for more of their product, that was extremely consumer hostile. The only solution is the small business plans which are not capped, which they do not tell you about, but fortunately I found out about them in HN comments.
- palish 15y agoWhat was your monthly bill before and after switching to Business?
- xenophanes 15y agopricing is here: http://business.comcast.com/SMB/services/Internet/plans http://business.comcast.com/SMB/services/Internet/plans
- sp332 15y agoAnd all it took was a direct order from the FCC. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/comcast-disclos/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/comcast-disclos/
- praptak 15y agoMy pitchfork and torch is always ready but have they ruled out the possibility that the measurements are a result of something other than ISP targetting P2P? Something like ISPs just blocking bandwidth hogs? Have they tested various protocols with similar characteristics to see that only BT is throttled?
- palish 15y agoSo... This won't answer your question directly... Just as a datapoint: I use Charter, and rarely torrent. But when I do, my connection gets "throttled" in an interesting way. It happens like clockwork: I reach maximum download speed (1.5MB/sec in my case), and after a few minutes of sustained speed, all internet traffic suddenly halts. It's as if the modem were unplugged. Between 1-5 min later, internet suddenly starts back up. Rinse and repeat. As far as I can tell, this has never happened with any other program. Not once! Only uTorrent seems to trigger it. Sometimes I can torrent for about an hour before experiencing the throttling; but it always eventually happens. I'm actually glad they throttle me, since I don't feel bad about hogging bandwidth anymore! But that's just a personal quirk... =) There is one other interesting aspect to the throttling: during the download, my upload speed is capped to 0.5kb/sec. (that is not a typo.) And when the torrent finishes downloading, the upload speed immediately drops to zero. In other words, Charter seems to be entirely blocking all Bittorrent seeding. My little conspiracy theory is that the 0.5kb/sec are "keepalive" packets, which trick the Bittorrent protocol into allowing me to download without seeding at all. If true, then that's very crafty of Charter... And no one complains, because no one tends to notice/care about upload speed. (and if they did notice, they probably say "yay, that's cool, torrenting without saturating my upload!". But I feel greedy. There's probably a mundane explanation; maybe our Linksys router is misconfigured somehow? But then why does my download speed work correctly at 1.5MBs, with upload speed capped to 0.5kbs? And when a download completes, why does the 0.5kbs drop to zero? To me, it seems like there's a mystery there. But I'm likely just stupid. =)
- redthrowaway 15y agoAre you on wireless? Apparently bittorrent tends to kill a lot of wireless routers, as it opens too many simultaneous connections for them to handle. I will regularly see my download speeds shoot up, only to crash to 0. Resetting my router fixes it, but the modem itself is fine.
- radarsat1 15y agoTook me a while to figure out the title.. hyphens, people. They work!
- CosmicShadow 15y agoIf you go anywhere in public you will hear people complaining about Rogers, it's more common than seeing a Tim Hortons. Rightly so, Rogers is probably the most hate inducing company in Canada!
- CosmicShadow 15y agoand by anywhere in public, I mean in Canada, or at least Southern Ontario.
- jshort 15y agoI am with Teksavvy in Southern Ontario and just this morning it appears that Rogers finally got around to turning of the cable (from the last tenants) they also managed to turn off our Internet connection.
- CosmicShadow 15y agoClassic and I've already seen a similar story about 3 times in the last 2 weeks on my twitter feed from people switching to Teksavvy in the area. Teksavvy is great.
- joejohnson 15y agoWho is Tim Hortons?
- Maven911 15y agoIn my neck of the woods in quebec, canada where we do not have rogers internet service, it is Bell that is usually the target of hate because of p2p throttling
- noarchy 15y agoWe have Vidéotron as an alternative, and they don't throttle. They are, however, on the pricey side.
- mhartl 15y agoAdmin or submitter: Please add a necessary hyphen to the title. - BitTorrent Throttling Internet Providers Exposed + BitTorrent-Throttling Internet Providers Exposed