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Schopenhauer’s 38 Stratagems, or 38 Ways to Win an Argument
- incomingpain 4y ago[flagged]
- Pompidou 4y agoSchopenhauer died in 1860. NSDAP was funded in 1920. In wich way was Schopenhauer a Nazi ?
- threads2 4y ago"The highest civilization and culture, apart from the ancient Hindus and Egyptians, are found exclusively among the white races" - Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena, Vol. 2, "On Philosophy and Natural Science," §92, trans. Payne (p. 158-159). "[Judaism] is, therefore, the crudest and poorest of all religions and consists merely in an absurd and revolting theism." - Schopenhauer, "Fragments for the History of Philosophy", Parerga and Paralipomena, Volume I, trans. Payne (p. 126).
- Pompidou 4y agoThank you very much, I will take a look. Do you know of such ideas in The World as Will and Representation ?
- vt85 4y ago
- rohfle 4y agoThe first quote: https://archive.org/details/23341891SchopenhauerParergaAndParalipomenaV2/23341891-Schopenhauer-Parerga-and-Paralipomena-V-2/page/n165/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/23341891SchopenhauerParergaAndPa... The second quote: https://archive.org/details/23341891SchopenhauerParergaAndParalipomenaV2/23341915-Schopenhauer-Parerga-and-Paralipomena-V-1/page/n139/mode/2up?view=theater&q=crudest https://archive.org/details/23341891SchopenhauerParergaAndPa...
- jmeister 4y agoAre we still doing this? Antisemitism was the norm among intellectuals before WW2. Check out what Marx had to say.
- incomingpain 4y ago>Schopenhauer died in 1860. NSDAP was funded in 1920. In wich way was Schopenhauer a Nazi ? I was following Rule 38. LoL I got flagged for being 100% on subject.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoYou yourself fell victim to #32.
- xcambar 4y agoThis book should be read by everyone at least a bit interested into how a debate works. The analytical prowess of Schopenhauer is brilliant and highlights very clearly many of the tactics everyone uses willingly or unwillingly when in need to convince or to prove a point. A short and good read.
- bloodyplonker22 4y agoThe greatest users of these tactics: politicians. They're great at not necessarily "winning an argument", but making it seem like they won to the weaker minded.
- RicoElectrico 4y agoIf anything, this drives home the point that debates are never about finding the truth. But what is the alternative? I don't know.
- pavas 4y agoSocratic dialogue, where everyone is intent on building up a shared truth. Socrates talks about these two different ways of engaging in dialogue in Plato's works.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoIronically, Plato's Socrates rarely ever actually arrives at what he considers truth, most dialogues just end at an impasse. This is arguably why they're still so readable. They're more about teaching you how to think and question what you know than proselytizing some particular doctrine.
- kratom_sandwich 4y agoWith the 36 Chinese stratagems, this makes a total of 74 stratagems you can rely upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems
- foldingmoney 4y ago#6 sounds an awful lot like #2 + #3
- marginalia_nu 4y agoIt's a subtle difference, #2 is arguing against a different meaning of the words than you are intended (what do you mean 2+3=6? Everyone knows 2+3 = 5), #6 is actually changing the words you are saying (what do you mean #2 is #3 + #6?! that doesn't make sense!)
- thyrsus 4y agoSome of these advance toward truth, but many do not. Did Schopenhauer's original make that distinction?