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It's the thing that nobody really talks about and conveniently ignores because if you do it means Tesla (and other AV companies) will go out of business. From
by scohesc 4y ago
It's the thing that nobody really talks about and conveniently ignores because if you do it means Tesla (and other AV companies) will go out of business.
From my experience - if you don't have well maintained roads you're going to have problems with FSD.
Raining? Water running over the camera/sensors will warp the image. Snowing? Can't see the road lines.
Tesla can't even guarantee that their cars won't barrel directly into a fire truck that's stopped on a freeway trying to address an existing accident.
In Canada, there's a federal mandate that forbids the use of oil-based roadmarkers - provinces instead use water-based roadpaint... you can literally see each year how that works out. Worn down/invisible road lines make it difficult for even experienced drivers to work out how many lanes a road has - good luck getting a computer to work out what lane it's in without any exterior help.
Without some kind of guidance inside the road itself - RFID/Wireless tracking "beacons" of sorts to help keep the vehicles in their lanes - we're not going to see true FSD any time soon globally - probably just in nice climate countries/states like California, Texas, etc where the weather 99% of the time never changes from "clear and sunny".
There's just too many variables for FSD to account for - especially with Tesla choosing to not use other tech like LiDAR, like others have mentioned.
FSD isn't going to be around in any major capacity globally for at least another 15-20 years at least. Too many factors involved in making sure your multi-ton autonomous spontaneous death machine picks the right option when it sees the equivalent of the trolley problem with potentially only a few seconds to make the decisions.
- brigade 4y ago> Tesla can't even guarantee that their cars won't barrel directly into a fire truck that's stopped on a freeway trying to address an existing accident. Isn’t this a design limitation of radar ACC systems, not FSD? Not that I’m saying FSD will reliably avoid stationary objects (I have no idea), but afaik all such collisions so far were under radar Autopilot, which by design cannot see stationary objects.
- scohesc 4y agoYeah, I might not be remembering the story correctly. It might have been collision avoidance rather than the FSD portion of their firmware. I still don't think that FSD is really for prime-time in any capacity though. Seems to make far _far_ too many mistakes that users need to correct. Does that sound like Full Self Driving to anybody? :P
- t0mas88 4y agoMaybe Tesla radar can't see any stationary objects, but others use radar for collision avoidance / auto braking and seem to do so also for stationary objects. It's harder to do from a signal processing view, but definitely not impossible.