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Cuba - given its position, climate, etc - should be absolutely thriving. What you're seeing there is a collapse, it has just reached its bottom (and there's no

Cuba - given its position, climate, etc - should be absolutely thriving. What you're seeing there is a collapse, it has just reached its bottom (and there's no crazy politician who wants to build a huge ass rocket - yet).

whatshisface 4y ago
The same argument could be applied to all of my examples, I think they all have people who argue that their current states are worse than they could be. That's why I defined "working" as "functioning" not "as good as it could be," or even "well-managed."
- emteycz 4y ago
  No, that's absolutely incomparable. Cuba is a shithole from hell comparable only to places such as North Korea, Bolivia or Venezuela (coincidentally also socialist states, huh), none of the other places are.
- bpt3 4y ago
  What about Cuba gives you the impression it is functioning, unless your definition of functioning is anything above mass starvation and homelessness?
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    In a world with (and a history of) many countries full of mass starvation and homelessness, my definition of functioning is anything above mass starvation and homelessness.
    - bpt3 4y ago
      Fair enough, though that's an extremely low bar in the modern world.
kaba0 4y ago
Cuba - given it is not embargoed by one of the biggest economies of the world that is close to it as well.
- emteycz 4y ago
  The rest of the world doesn't have such problem, I wonder why... Might have something to do with the crazy socialist politicians putting Soviet nukes there, perhaps?
  - kaba0 4y ago
    I didn’t say it wasn’t vindicated in doing so, but you ain’t measuring two programs relative performance by running one on a beefy machine and the other on an emulator either. Just don’t conclude more from it than you can.
    - emteycz 4y ago
      But this stuff doesn't really happen in free democracies, does it? We're comparing socialism to other systems and this is a feature of socialism (as proven by the other crazy socialist states, it's not just Cuba) - that makes it a part of the equation.

whatshisface 4y ago

The same argument could be applied to all of my examples, I think they all have people who argue that their current states are worse than they could be. That's why I defined "working" as "functioning" not "as good as it could be," or even "well-managed."

emteycz 4y ago
No, that's absolutely incomparable. Cuba is a shithole from hell comparable only to places such as North Korea, Bolivia or Venezuela (coincidentally also socialist states, huh), none of the other places are.
bpt3 4y ago
What about Cuba gives you the impression it is functioning, unless your definition of functioning is anything above mass starvation and homelessness?
- whatshisface 4y ago
  In a world with (and a history of) many countries full of mass starvation and homelessness, my definition of functioning is anything above mass starvation and homelessness.
  - bpt3 4y ago
    Fair enough, though that's an extremely low bar in the modern world.

kaba0 4y ago

Cuba - given it is not embargoed by one of the biggest economies of the world that is close to it as well.

emteycz 4y ago
The rest of the world doesn't have such problem, I wonder why... Might have something to do with the crazy socialist politicians putting Soviet nukes there, perhaps?
- kaba0 4y ago
  I didn’t say it wasn’t vindicated in doing so, but you ain’t measuring two programs relative performance by running one on a beefy machine and the other on an emulator either. Just don’t conclude more from it than you can.
  - emteycz 4y ago
    But this stuff doesn't really happen in free democracies, does it? We're comparing socialism to other systems and this is a feature of socialism (as proven by the other crazy socialist states, it's not just Cuba) - that makes it a part of the equation.