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Genocide? Really?

macintux 4y ago
Yes. ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
- edanm 4y ago
  I had never read that definition, and it seems way too broad to be what most people mean - according to this definition, killing 20 Christians on purpose is considered a genocide? Indeed, from later in the article: > While mass killing is not necessary for genocide to have been committed, it has been present in almost all recognized genocides.
  - macintux 4y ago
    Given the large civilian graves, the bombing of shelters, the forced deportation of Ukrainians to Russia, the theft of children…there doesn’t seem to be a reasonable argument that this isn’t genocide.
    - edanm 4y ago
      I wasn't commenting on Ukraine specifically, just on my surprise at the definition of genocide.
  - pintxo 4y ago
    If you "intent to destroy" Christianity, "in whole or in part" then killing just 2 should be enough to formally be considered genocide. I guess, citation needed, mass graves simplify arguing in favor of "intend to destroy". Otherwise its often not easy to prove intend.
sofixa 4y ago
Yep, the mass kidnapping of children is literally in the definition of genocide - article 2e.
- foverzar 4y ago
  And since when is this happening?
  - macintux 4y ago
    Been reported for a while. Read a wrenching interview with a man who lost his daughter, doesn't know whether he'll ever see her again. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-embassy-accuses-russia-of-kidnapping-ukrainian-children-2022-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-embassy-accuses-russia-of...

Genocide? Really?

Yes. ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

edanm 4y ago
I had never read that definition, and it seems way too broad to be what most people mean - according to this definition, killing 20 Christians on purpose is considered a genocide? Indeed, from later in the article: > While mass killing is not necessary for genocide to have been committed, it has been present in almost all recognized genocides.
- macintux 4y ago
  Given the large civilian graves, the bombing of shelters, the forced deportation of Ukrainians to Russia, the theft of children…there doesn’t seem to be a reasonable argument that this isn’t genocide.
  - edanm 4y ago
    I wasn't commenting on Ukraine specifically, just on my surprise at the definition of genocide.
- pintxo 4y ago
  If you "intent to destroy" Christianity, "in whole or in part" then killing just 2 should be enough to formally be considered genocide. I guess, citation needed, mass graves simplify arguing in favor of "intend to destroy". Otherwise its often not easy to prove intend.

sofixa 4y ago

Yep, the mass kidnapping of children is literally in the definition of genocide - article 2e.

foverzar 4y ago
And since when is this happening?
- macintux 4y ago
  Been reported for a while. Read a wrenching interview with a man who lost his daughter, doesn't know whether he'll ever see her again. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-embassy-accuses-russia-of-kidnapping-ukrainian-children-2022-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-embassy-accuses-russia-of...