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And your friends have nukes pointed at the neighbors house - perhaps the neighbour wants to mind his words lest his house be turned in a glassed skate park.

by ddalex 4y ago

matheusmoreira 4y ago
So your friend is willing to risk planetary destruction over a friends list dispute with your neighbor? I'd think thrice before relying on them when such stakes are on the table.
- ddalex 4y ago
  Well, the neighbour that doesn't like my friends broke into my house repeatedly, stole my last food a couple of times, kidnapped several household members, raped my wife and my kid; and now threatens to burn the whole city down if I don't give up my new friends that protect my house. So yes, lets' burn the city down, why should I live in hell and fear - it's better that no one lives, including the asshole neighbour.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    So what? All that is nothing compared to the literal destruction of this planet. Better to let them walk all over you than risk destroying the world everybody lives in. I seriously doubt there is a single person in america willing to accept even the possibility of being utterly annihilated by nuclear fire over some foreign european nation. War against Vietnam or Iraq is one thing, war against Russia is on a completely different category.
    - ddalex 4y ago
      > Better to let them walk all over you than risk destroying the world everybody lives in It's very easy to ask others to be meek, why don't you offer yourself to Russians to walk them over you? I mean, Russia would be very happy to have Alaska, perhaps you should offer it to them so they don't destroy the world. > ... doubt there is a single person in america willing to accept ... Thankfully there are several european nations with independent nuclear capability willing to stand up for Ukraine.
      - matheusmoreira 4y ago
        > why don't you offer yourself to Russians to walk them over you? I mean, Russia would be very happy to have Alaska I'm brazilian. We don't have nuclear weapons. We barely even have a space program. If USA wanted to take the Amazon, I doubt there's anything we could do about it and I seriously doubt anyone else would intervene in our favor. > Thankfully there are several european nations with independent nuclear capability willing to stand up for Ukraine. Yeah. So are they really going to risk getting nuked out of existence over Ukraine? I suppose we'll find out.
        ddalex 4y ago
        Having lived under Russian oppression during Soviet times, I can tell you that certainly I would prefer nuclear annihilation to being under the russian boot again. And I have small kids. Perhaps especially because I have small kids.
    - macintux 4y ago
      The question becomes what sort of world do we want for our children: one where nuclear-armed nation-states simply take what they want (and remember, it’s not just Russia and the U.S. who have nuclear weapons) because it’s better to appease them? The mere existence of nuclear weapons means that our future is in jeopardy. That bell can’t be unrung. But it doesn’t mean we have to allow the fear of that hypothetical future to prevent us from standing up to genocide.

And your friends have nukes pointed at the neighbors house - perhaps the neighbour wants to mind his words lest his house be turned in a glassed skate park.

by ddalex 4y ago

And your friends have nukes pointed at the neighbors house - perhaps the neighbour wants to mind his words lest his house be turned in a glassed skate park.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

So your friend is willing to risk planetary destruction over a friends list dispute with your neighbor? I'd think thrice before relying on them when such stakes are on the table.

ddalex 4y ago
Well, the neighbour that doesn't like my friends broke into my house repeatedly, stole my last food a couple of times, kidnapped several household members, raped my wife and my kid; and now threatens to burn the whole city down if I don't give up my new friends that protect my house. So yes, lets' burn the city down, why should I live in hell and fear - it's better that no one lives, including the asshole neighbour.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  So what? All that is nothing compared to the literal destruction of this planet. Better to let them walk all over you than risk destroying the world everybody lives in. I seriously doubt there is a single person in america willing to accept even the possibility of being utterly annihilated by nuclear fire over some foreign european nation. War against Vietnam or Iraq is one thing, war against Russia is on a completely different category.
  - ddalex 4y ago
    > Better to let them walk all over you than risk destroying the world everybody lives in It's very easy to ask others to be meek, why don't you offer yourself to Russians to walk them over you? I mean, Russia would be very happy to have Alaska, perhaps you should offer it to them so they don't destroy the world. > ... doubt there is a single person in america willing to accept ... Thankfully there are several european nations with independent nuclear capability willing to stand up for Ukraine.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      > why don't you offer yourself to Russians to walk them over you? I mean, Russia would be very happy to have Alaska I'm brazilian. We don't have nuclear weapons. We barely even have a space program. If USA wanted to take the Amazon, I doubt there's anything we could do about it and I seriously doubt anyone else would intervene in our favor. > Thankfully there are several european nations with independent nuclear capability willing to stand up for Ukraine. Yeah. So are they really going to risk getting nuked out of existence over Ukraine? I suppose we'll find out.
      - ddalex 4y ago
        Having lived under Russian oppression during Soviet times, I can tell you that certainly I would prefer nuclear annihilation to being under the russian boot again. And I have small kids. Perhaps especially because I have small kids.
  - macintux 4y ago
    The question becomes what sort of world do we want for our children: one where nuclear-armed nation-states simply take what they want (and remember, it’s not just Russia and the U.S. who have nuclear weapons) because it’s better to appease them? The mere existence of nuclear weapons means that our future is in jeopardy. That bell can’t be unrung. But it doesn’t mean we have to allow the fear of that hypothetical future to prevent us from standing up to genocide.