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Most of those deaths were before the vaccine was widely available or available at all. Is it really a great choice now?

• loeg 4y ago
  China isn’t distributing the effective western vaccines to its citizens. Also their death numbers are a complete fiction.
  • GFischer 4y ago
    Chinese vaccines are slightly less effective, but they do work, you can check the numbers in my country, Uruguay. Pfizer has outperformed Sinovac, but it still provided protection.
  • jacobolus 4y ago
    The Chinese vaccines do provide substantial protection against the most severe outcomes, though the mRNA vaccines are indeed better. Countries using such vaccines should be trying to provide at least an mRNA booster, especially to people at high risk. The bigger problem though is that a significant proportion of elderly people remain unvaccinated. Look what happened in Hong Kong to see a prediction of what will happen if Covid gets loose in mainland China without a more substantial vaccine drive.
    • loeg 4y ago
      > The Chinese vaccines do provide substantial protection against the most severe outcomes I would not be surprised if this was true, but is there any independent evidence of that? > The bigger problem though is that a significant proportion of elderly people remain unvaccinated. Yes -- in part because of what I mentioned in the previous comment.
      • jacobolus 4y ago
        > is there any independent evidence of that? You can find plenty of research about this if you spend a couple minutes searching. E.g. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.22.22272769v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.22.22272769v... https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/2022/05/03/postgradmedj-2022-141649.abstract https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/2022/05/03/postgradmedj-20... Disclaimer: I have not deeply investigated these papers.