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Discord is particularly bad on erasure as they have a TOS that gives them a perpetual royalty-free license to your photos and use this license to allow leaving

by TimPC 4y ago

Discord is particularly bad on erasure as they have a TOS that gives them a perpetual royalty-free license to your photos and use this license to allow leaving photos from users up in discords they have been banned from. This effectively means it any private server admin decides to ban a user they get to keep their content up without their consent as the user no longer has access to delete it. Discord will support the server admins in this. I’m pretty sure this is illegal under GDPR as the necessity of collecting such data is very unclear and the argument for deleting it is quite strong. Lots of servers have all kinds of selfie posts and some adult servers even encourage sharing adult selfies. The idea that they get to keep this content against the will of the user is extremely suspect.

dbg31415 4y ago
> The idea that they get to keep this content against the will of the user is extremely suspect. Discord relies on basic posts and basic channels to host things like community rules and bot-powered role assignment questions. When the person who sets those up leaves, transfers ownership, or is booted... they all still remain on the Discord Server. (Arguably if they were deleted it would cause some chaos. But that's solved with better features, like the "Community" feature that lets you put rules in welcome splash page.) While a user can always delete their own content (likely it's not actually deleted, but deleted from public eyes), once they leave a chat, or are removed from a Discord Server, they lose the ability to interact with messages they posted. I can see a problem if I post something in what was marked "private channel" and then after I'm booted the admin makes it a "public channel" -- or changes the "see chat history" flag that allows new users to see messages from before they were members. Anyway I get it creates problems for Discord, but it's all all solved by building out a "community rule channel" type, as they've started to do with their "Communities" -- separating the server management content from the individual user-generated content is a good first step. I'm going to fire off a delete my data request and see how it goes. Guessing 3-4 months before I have any sort of update. =P
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Instead of a "community rule channel", I would love to see shared-ownership (or no ownership, however you would like to look at it) posts. A post that users of a certain role can all edit and isn't bound to a single account. This is currently generally done by using a bot to make and edit posts with, but the UX of using a bot versus normal discord editing is very poor.
- sitzkrieg 4y ago
  ive tried several times. nothing will happen. just run the discord delete monkeyscripts etc
  - ehPReth 4y ago
    There are general bots available for anyone that will repost any deleted or differences in edited messages in (usually) admin only channels. I once got banned (by a server/group/guild admin) for mass deleting messages because I was “spamming their admin log channel”. Needless to say the deletes only highlighted my activity and put all messages into view again… for less people but still. Part of me things maybe those types of bots should be forbidden? I’m not sure though. I come from the IRC era where everyone logged everything and there was no edit or delete.
    - dbg31415 4y ago
      Oh really good point. The admin logs for each server... you can never really delete those, even though it's all full of what you say and even images you post. Kind of filthy to think about all that. Just a bot copying everything you send Discord and re-posting it just so the admins have copies no matter what you do. Sure it's not "your" posts, but if you really wanted to delete all the data those should be included in the delete. Oof. It just gets messy fast.

by TimPC 4y ago

dbg31415 4y ago

> The idea that they get to keep this content against the will of the user is extremely suspect. Discord relies on basic posts and basic channels to host things like community rules and bot-powered role assignment questions. When the person who sets those up leaves, transfers ownership, or is booted... they all still remain on the Discord Server. (Arguably if they were deleted it would cause some chaos. But that's solved with better features, like the "Community" feature that lets you put rules in welcome splash page.) While a user can always delete their own content (likely it's not actually deleted, but deleted from public eyes), once they leave a chat, or are removed from a Discord Server, they lose the ability to interact with messages they posted. I can see a problem if I post something in what was marked "private channel" and then after I'm booted the admin makes it a "public channel" -- or changes the "see chat history" flag that allows new users to see messages from before they were members. Anyway I get it creates problems for Discord, but it's all all solved by building out a "community rule channel" type, as they've started to do with their "Communities" -- separating the server management content from the individual user-generated content is a good first step. I'm going to fire off a delete my data request and see how it goes. Guessing 3-4 months before I have any sort of update. =P

xboxnolifes 4y ago
Instead of a "community rule channel", I would love to see shared-ownership (or no ownership, however you would like to look at it) posts. A post that users of a certain role can all edit and isn't bound to a single account. This is currently generally done by using a bot to make and edit posts with, but the UX of using a bot versus normal discord editing is very poor.
sitzkrieg 4y ago
ive tried several times. nothing will happen. just run the discord delete monkeyscripts etc
- ehPReth 4y ago
  There are general bots available for anyone that will repost any deleted or differences in edited messages in (usually) admin only channels. I once got banned (by a server/group/guild admin) for mass deleting messages because I was “spamming their admin log channel”. Needless to say the deletes only highlighted my activity and put all messages into view again… for less people but still. Part of me things maybe those types of bots should be forbidden? I’m not sure though. I come from the IRC era where everyone logged everything and there was no edit or delete.
  - dbg31415 4y ago
    Oh really good point. The admin logs for each server... you can never really delete those, even though it's all full of what you say and even images you post. Kind of filthy to think about all that. Just a bot copying everything you send Discord and re-posting it just so the admins have copies no matter what you do. Sure it's not "your" posts, but if you really wanted to delete all the data those should be included in the delete. Oof. It just gets messy fast.