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The claim is the Russian rich folk commit criminal acts. The method is civil forfeiture. The outcome is nothing need be proven, the assertion is sufficient. “W

by adolph 4y ago

The claim is the Russian rich folk commit criminal acts. The method is civil forfeiture. The outcome is nothing need be proven, the assertion is sufficient. “We are already working with our international partners to freeze and seize properties belonging to sanctioned Russian oligarchs worldwide,” said Attorney General Garland. “We will continue to work together to take all appropriate actions against those whose criminal acts enable the Russian government to continue its unjust war against Ukraine.” https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-departments-justice-and-treasury-launch-multilateral-russian-oligarch-task-force https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-departments-justice-and-tr... Reward program: https://home.treasury.gov/about/offices/terrorism-and-financial-intelligence/terrorist-financing-and-financial-crimes/kleptocracy-asset-recovery-rewards-program https://home.treasury.gov/about/offices/terrorism-and-financ...

roenxi 4y ago
> Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law... > The outcome is nothing need be proven, the assertion is sufficient... There seem to be inconsistent messages in this thread. Do we need to prove anything to take stuff off the Russians or don't we?
- tut-urut-utut 4y ago
  > There seem to be inconsistent messages in this thread. Do we need to prove anything to take stuff off the Russians or don't we? Isn't it like it has always been in human history? You don't need to prove anything if your goal is total destruction of your enemy and everything associated with them. Just do what you think will harm them the most. Until the total destruction of one or another side. Or the whole humanity. The only thing I don't understand here is why some people act surprised when that same enemy fight back using the same or similar means? Like seizing property and assets of companies, citizens, and administration of one state, and then complaining that intellectual property of your administration, company, or citizens might not be respected in that same country?
  - logifail 4y ago
    > some people act surprised when that same enemy fight back using the same or similar means? Such as the headline "Russia ‘steals’ 150 planes leased from foreign owners"?[0] [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/russia-steals-150-planes-leased-foreign-owners/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/russia-steal...

by adolph 4y ago

roenxi 4y ago

> Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law... > The outcome is nothing need be proven, the assertion is sufficient... There seem to be inconsistent messages in this thread. Do we need to prove anything to take stuff off the Russians or don't we?

tut-urut-utut 4y ago
> There seem to be inconsistent messages in this thread. Do we need to prove anything to take stuff off the Russians or don't we? Isn't it like it has always been in human history? You don't need to prove anything if your goal is total destruction of your enemy and everything associated with them. Just do what you think will harm them the most. Until the total destruction of one or another side. Or the whole humanity. The only thing I don't understand here is why some people act surprised when that same enemy fight back using the same or similar means? Like seizing property and assets of companies, citizens, and administration of one state, and then complaining that intellectual property of your administration, company, or citizens might not be respected in that same country?
- logifail 4y ago
  > some people act surprised when that same enemy fight back using the same or similar means? Such as the headline "Russia ‘steals’ 150 planes leased from foreign owners"?[0] [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/russia-steals-150-planes-leased-foreign-owners/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/russia-steal...