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I also heard, their vaccination program wasn’t that good as elsewhere. Everybody in my bubble in Germany got corona at least once. Everybody were vaccinated at

by lnsru 4y ago

I also heard, their vaccination program wasn’t that good as elsewhere. Everybody in my bubble in Germany got corona at least once. Everybody were vaccinated at least twice. All cases in all age groups were not worse than average cold.

scarface74 4y ago
I was very cautious before the vaccines. But afterwards, it was mostly Covid theatre in the US: 1. Mask mandates - dumb - people who didn’t want to wear them weren’t wearing them properly and most were wearing completely ineffective cloth masks. I travelled a lot and you were allowed to take your mask off while eating on a plane. So what good was requiring a mask? 2. Vaccine mandates - everyone agrees that the vaccines don’t stop you from getting or spreading Covid. But it does help prevent severe cases. So if people decide not to get vaccinated, it’s on them. Raise their insurance rates and don’t give them extra sick time. I would have been in compliance with my company’s mandate if I had only gotten the one shot J&J 3/2021 even though six months later, everyone agreed that it wasn’t effective against the variants and you should get a booster. No one would be crazy enough to propose that you must get a shot every six months. I did so voluntarily. Yeah I caught Covid after vaccinations and boosters. It really was no worse than a cold.
- xyzzy123 4y ago
  Re: the masks on planes. Assume a linear rate of virus particle shedding per breath and calculate the total viral load in the air of the plane over time, assuming the mask can catch a resonable proportion. The "pointless ceremony" of "masks while not eating" works out better. I think because we see ourselves as "sick or not sick" and "infected or not infected", people are not very calibrated to think or care about magnitude of exposure. Public health prophylactic measures can have real impact on both large and small scales, even when imperfectly followed. It's the statistics of the thing. Terrorism measures are stil theatre IMHO because they have such a lumpy and weird distribution.
  - jstrong 4y ago
    if masks work so well, why didn't they work? how did omicron get around the world in like two weeks flat when everyone was wearing masks on planes? at what point does covid making an utter mockery of our mitigation efforts start to dent your faith in them?
    - xyzzy123 4y ago
      Why not one week? Masks aren't perfect, and they don't make sense in every context but a plane IMHO is actually reasonable. Not every context is the same. I'm willing to acknowledge that the data is not great, but I think the action is more or less "plausible" and IMHO the suffering is small.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Yes, the suffering is small. But so is the payoff. My contention is that the people who statistically got seriously sick by the time Omicron became a thing in the US were the ones that decided to not get a vaccinated. I feel not an ounce of pity for them. The knock on affects is that the Democrats were not doing themselves any favors in the election. It’s bad politics.
abdouls 4y ago
I've seen all kind of cases in my surrounding.With very bad migraines to absolutely nothing (while still testing positive). Heck, even have a colleague who had it at least 4 times and still felt pretty bad with two doses...

by lnsru 4y ago

scarface74 4y ago

I was very cautious before the vaccines. But afterwards, it was mostly Covid theatre in the US: 1. Mask mandates - dumb - people who didn’t want to wear them weren’t wearing them properly and most were wearing completely ineffective cloth masks. I travelled a lot and you were allowed to take your mask off while eating on a plane. So what good was requiring a mask? 2. Vaccine mandates - everyone agrees that the vaccines don’t stop you from getting or spreading Covid. But it does help prevent severe cases. So if people decide not to get vaccinated, it’s on them. Raise their insurance rates and don’t give them extra sick time. I would have been in compliance with my company’s mandate if I had only gotten the one shot J&J 3/2021 even though six months later, everyone agreed that it wasn’t effective against the variants and you should get a booster. No one would be crazy enough to propose that you must get a shot every six months. I did so voluntarily. Yeah I caught Covid after vaccinations and boosters. It really was no worse than a cold.

xyzzy123 4y ago
Re: the masks on planes. Assume a linear rate of virus particle shedding per breath and calculate the total viral load in the air of the plane over time, assuming the mask can catch a resonable proportion. The "pointless ceremony" of "masks while not eating" works out better. I think because we see ourselves as "sick or not sick" and "infected or not infected", people are not very calibrated to think or care about magnitude of exposure. Public health prophylactic measures can have real impact on both large and small scales, even when imperfectly followed. It's the statistics of the thing. Terrorism measures are stil theatre IMHO because they have such a lumpy and weird distribution.
- jstrong 4y ago
  if masks work so well, why didn't they work? how did omicron get around the world in like two weeks flat when everyone was wearing masks on planes? at what point does covid making an utter mockery of our mitigation efforts start to dent your faith in them?
  - xyzzy123 4y ago
    Why not one week? Masks aren't perfect, and they don't make sense in every context but a plane IMHO is actually reasonable. Not every context is the same. I'm willing to acknowledge that the data is not great, but I think the action is more or less "plausible" and IMHO the suffering is small.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Yes, the suffering is small. But so is the payoff. My contention is that the people who statistically got seriously sick by the time Omicron became a thing in the US were the ones that decided to not get a vaccinated. I feel not an ounce of pity for them. The knock on affects is that the Democrats were not doing themselves any favors in the election. It’s bad politics.

abdouls 4y ago

I've seen all kind of cases in my surrounding.With very bad migraines to absolutely nothing (while still testing positive). Heck, even have a colleague who had it at least 4 times and still felt pretty bad with two doses...