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> Its startup time of, say, 15 or even 30 seconds Jesus. I use Gvim, which starts in less than a second. When I'm done editing, I close it. The only app I gene

> Its startup time of, say, 15 or even 30 seconds Jesus. I use Gvim, which starts in less than a second. When I'm done editing, I close it. The only app I generally leave open, is browser. How people can justify such awful performance is beyond me, and why I will never, ever use Emacs.

tarentel 4y ago
While it can be very slow it's not something I even notice. When I start my computer, the terminal also starts on login, which means emacs starts. By the time I am ready to use it it loads instantly.
nine_k 4y ago
How much code intelligence does GVim give you? Code navigation? Type information? Refactoring? The question is actually about IDE features which take longer time to initialize, mostly in the non-Emacs code such as language servers. Emacs with only built-in plugins loads from scratch instantly on my machine. But if I only need to do a simple quick edit, I can equally invoke vi :) (Which I regularly do, to keep my basic vi skills current.)
golergka 4y ago
Looks like you're judging a fish by it's ability to climb a tree.
mcbuilder 4y ago
Said like such a vimmer. Anyway, my real comment is that I used vim exclusively for 5 years before switching to Emacs for like the past 9. I use evil mode to emulate vim of course. I'd run a server and ZZ or :wq as soon as I finished editing the file. My colleague, a regular Emacs user, commented how I drive emacs like vim in pair-coding. Now with vterm I run Emacs all the time, my buffers stay mostly open. Anyway, the best manner to use the tool is probably dictated by the tool, but I will tell you I am not bothered at all for my Doom Emacs 2 second starting time every few hours / days.
forgotpwd16 4y ago
For Emacs to start that slow they probably load a ton of packages if not a framework like Spacemacs. If you just load simple settings, it opens instantly.
BeetleB 4y ago
If it's taking 15 seconds to start, it's because the person is doing things with it that Gvim can't do. An empty config probably takes 1s to load. It's like complaining that it takes 30s to boot your PC when Gvim opens up instantly. It's a silly comparison.

tarentel 4y ago

While it can be very slow it's not something I even notice. When I start my computer, the terminal also starts on login, which means emacs starts. By the time I am ready to use it it loads instantly.

nine_k 4y ago

How much code intelligence does GVim give you? Code navigation? Type information? Refactoring? The question is actually about IDE features which take longer time to initialize, mostly in the non-Emacs code such as language servers. Emacs with only built-in plugins loads from scratch instantly on my machine. But if I only need to do a simple quick edit, I can equally invoke vi :) (Which I regularly do, to keep my basic vi skills current.)

golergka 4y ago

Looks like you're judging a fish by it's ability to climb a tree.

mcbuilder 4y ago

Said like such a vimmer. Anyway, my real comment is that I used vim exclusively for 5 years before switching to Emacs for like the past 9. I use evil mode to emulate vim of course. I'd run a server and ZZ or :wq as soon as I finished editing the file. My colleague, a regular Emacs user, commented how I drive emacs like vim in pair-coding. Now with vterm I run Emacs all the time, my buffers stay mostly open. Anyway, the best manner to use the tool is probably dictated by the tool, but I will tell you I am not bothered at all for my Doom Emacs 2 second starting time every few hours / days.

forgotpwd16 4y ago

For Emacs to start that slow they probably load a ton of packages if not a framework like Spacemacs. If you just load simple settings, it opens instantly.

BeetleB 4y ago

If it's taking 15 seconds to start, it's because the person is doing things with it that Gvim can't do. An empty config probably takes 1s to load. It's like complaining that it takes 30s to boot your PC when Gvim opens up instantly. It's a silly comparison.