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https://plausible.io/privacy-focused-web-analytics https://plausible.io/privacy-focused-web-analytics You surf with JS off because of sites abusing their users

https://plausible.io/privacy-focused-web-analytics https://plausible.io/privacy-focused-web-analytics You surf with JS off because of sites abusing their users' data. This is not it.

34679 4y ago
Collecting data that a user doesn't want collected is abuse. It doesn't matter what you do with it.
- folkrav 4y ago
  Oof. Hard disagree on that one, way too black & white of a position for me in the face of such a broad concept as "data".
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inetknght 4y ago
> You surf with JS off because of sites abusing their users' data. This is not it. Wrong. I surf with JS off because of sites that use JS to collect information about me. If it's available on the server, then sure that might be considered fair game. But using javascript (or any other client-side tool) to do what you should instead do server-side is abusing users (or their data). Putting analytics inline so it's "not ad-blocked by a url request" is absolutely disrespecting users and a perfect reason to turn off javascript.
- folkrav 4y ago
  > Wrong. I surf with JS off because of sites that use JS to collect information about me. Plausible doesn't collect information about you, but the site's usage. Do you also object to physical stores putting up cameras? Here's their own instance, open to public. https://plausible.io/plausible.io https://plausible.io/plausible.io > If it's available on the server, then sure that might be considered fair game. But using javascript (or any other client-side tool) to do what you should instead do server-side is abusing users (or their data). That's quite the affirmation. Is this fact or opinion?
  - inetknght 4y ago
    > Plausible doesn't collect information about you, but the site's usage. Do you also object to physical stores putting up cameras? The difference is that the cameras don't get attached to my physical body, doesn't have any ability to monitor my actions after I have left the presence of the physical store, and can't force me to take any physical item or action. Javascript, on the other hand, has the capability to become persistent, can monitor my computer's activity outside of your website, and can leave a lot (!) of additional data on my computer without my permission.
    - scambier 4y ago
      > doesn't have any ability to monitor my actions after I have left the presence of the physical store What a coincidence, Plausible doesn't either.

https://plausible.io/privacy-focused-web-analytics https://plausible.io/privacy-focused-web-analytics You surf with JS off because of sites abusing their users' data. This is not it.

34679 4y ago

Collecting data that a user doesn't want collected is abuse. It doesn't matter what you do with it.

folkrav 4y ago
Oof. Hard disagree on that one, way too black & white of a position for me in the face of such a broad concept as "data".

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inetknght 4y ago

> You surf with JS off because of sites abusing their users' data. This is not it. Wrong. I surf with JS off because of sites that use JS to collect information about me. If it's available on the server, then sure that might be considered fair game. But using javascript (or any other client-side tool) to do what you should instead do server-side is abusing users (or their data). Putting analytics inline so it's "not ad-blocked by a url request" is absolutely disrespecting users and a perfect reason to turn off javascript.

folkrav 4y ago
> Wrong. I surf with JS off because of sites that use JS to collect information about me. Plausible doesn't collect information about you, but the site's usage. Do you also object to physical stores putting up cameras? Here's their own instance, open to public. https://plausible.io/plausible.io https://plausible.io/plausible.io > If it's available on the server, then sure that might be considered fair game. But using javascript (or any other client-side tool) to do what you should instead do server-side is abusing users (or their data). That's quite the affirmation. Is this fact or opinion?
- inetknght 4y ago
  > Plausible doesn't collect information about you, but the site's usage. Do you also object to physical stores putting up cameras? The difference is that the cameras don't get attached to my physical body, doesn't have any ability to monitor my actions after I have left the presence of the physical store, and can't force me to take any physical item or action. Javascript, on the other hand, has the capability to become persistent, can monitor my computer's activity outside of your website, and can leave a lot (!) of additional data on my computer without my permission.
  - scambier 4y ago
    > doesn't have any ability to monitor my actions after I have left the presence of the physical store What a coincidence, Plausible doesn't either.