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Ask cubans about exercising sovereignity against the freest world, as said in my main message, we need to give up moral superiority and understand other countri

Ask cubans about exercising sovereignity against the freest world, as said in my main message, we need to give up moral superiority and understand other countries needs

qwytw 4y ago
For whatever reason you seem to be conflating the needs of the local dictators like Castro and Putin with the people they are ruling over. I'm not sure they are necessarily the same all the time.
eropple 4y ago
And Sweden's needs? Finland's? Ukraine's? This is the failing of the tankie argument: "but but the evil US" (and to be clear, the US has done plenty of awful things) ignores that Russia's other problem here is that they do nothing to make anybody actually want to support them. And it just so happens that Russia doesn't have the friends they'd need to do what they want--who knew?--and that is a historical failing. Appealing to power politics only works when the parties attempting to exert power aren't bad at it. It's why the weirdos online have to insist that it's a "CIA op" making Sweden and Finland look at the aggressive power next door and go "hello, NATO": because reality has kneecapped the myth.
croon 4y ago
> we need to give up moral superiority and understand other countries needs > How is Russia going to not be belligerent if we are even thinking about letting Sweden and Finland in NATO? And this is the argument you are making about what Russia needs. Maybe consider why Sweden and Finland wants to join NATO.
ineedasername 4y ago
Who are "we" in your statements? And can you elaborate on which other country you mean, and what their needs are? Because it doesn't seem like Russia needed to invade a Ukraine that it already had very close political & economic ties to. When Ukraine decided it wanted a leader who would also be friendly to the West Russia couldn't handle it. They viewed expanding economic interests as a threat, and rather than try to win out on diplomacy and friendly trade deals or any other economic approach they chose war. So please, get away from your vague statements of "we" & "needs" and be specific. Otherwise it sounds like you're reading from a script of talking points without any deeper justification on your difference of opinion.

Ask cubans about exercising sovereignity against the freest world, as said in my main message, we need to give up moral superiority and understand other countries needs

qwytw 4y ago

For whatever reason you seem to be conflating the needs of the local dictators like Castro and Putin with the people they are ruling over. I'm not sure they are necessarily the same all the time.

eropple 4y ago

And Sweden's needs? Finland's? Ukraine's? This is the failing of the tankie argument: "but but the evil US" (and to be clear, the US has done plenty of awful things) ignores that Russia's other problem here is that they do nothing to make anybody actually want to support them. And it just so happens that Russia doesn't have the friends they'd need to do what they want--who knew?--and that is a historical failing. Appealing to power politics only works when the parties attempting to exert power aren't bad at it. It's why the weirdos online have to insist that it's a "CIA op" making Sweden and Finland look at the aggressive power next door and go "hello, NATO": because reality has kneecapped the myth.

croon 4y ago

> we need to give up moral superiority and understand other countries needs > How is Russia going to not be belligerent if we are even thinking about letting Sweden and Finland in NATO? And this is the argument you are making about what Russia needs. Maybe consider why Sweden and Finland wants to join NATO.

ineedasername 4y ago

Who are "we" in your statements? And can you elaborate on which other country you mean, and what their needs are? Because it doesn't seem like Russia needed to invade a Ukraine that it already had very close political & economic ties to. When Ukraine decided it wanted a leader who would also be friendly to the West Russia couldn't handle it. They viewed expanding economic interests as a threat, and rather than try to win out on diplomacy and friendly trade deals or any other economic approach they chose war. So please, get away from your vague statements of "we" & "needs" and be specific. Otherwise it sounds like you're reading from a script of talking points without any deeper justification on your difference of opinion.