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The kids of the poorest and least educated immigrants are the ones who created the Italian and Irish gangs/mafia. We see the same thing in Western Europe today,

The kids of the poorest and least educated immigrants are the ones who created the Italian and Irish gangs/mafia. We see the same thing in Western Europe today, where people fled their pretty bad countries, only to have their un-integrated kids repeat the same behaviors that made the origin countries bad in the first place. I love the idea of the diversity visa lottery, I think it's a great way to spice up the population. But mass immigration of low educated individuals is not good, they won't integrate as well as highly skilled workers. Also, in the 1800s, you needed millions of farm workers, miners, rail workers etc. These jobs were dangerous, no skill required, no language required, making it feasible to just import whatever immigrants you can. Today it's not the case, with such a sophisticated economy.

rayiner 4y ago
> But mass immigration of low educated individuals is not good, they won't integrate as well as highly skilled workers. It’s not clear to me the highly educated individuals are integrating well. (E.g. high caste Indians bringing caste-based elitism to the U.S.) They're obviously prospering but that's somewhat different.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  Intermarriage rates for Indian Americans are very high which would suggest that they’re integrating. If caste lasts in the US it will be the first place in the Indian diaspora that it does. For US born 29% marry outside of ethnic group. At those rates once mass Indian immigration ends it’ll be two to three generations before the ethnic group are pretty much completely American, like German Americans or Italian Americans. https://www.brownpundits.com/2021/06/27/indian-american-survey-outmarriage-rate/ https://www.brownpundits.com/2021/06/27/indian-american-surv...
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    Compare with ~80% intermarriage rate for "poor" Italian immigrants https://books.google.com/books?id=Tj1E7-j8w1MC&pg=PA290&lpg=PA290&dq=80%25+of+italian+americans+%22intermarriage%22&source=bl&ots=vp2E6PPJ7F&sig=ACfU3U0hlL1mBqFv5HrwlJIE4z8ytlkJbA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjRi5rNkeT3AhXjHzQIHagHD48Q6AF6BAgXEAM#v=onepage&q=80%25%20of%20italian%20americans%20%22intermarriage%22&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Tj1E7-j8w1MC&pg=PA290&lpg=...
    - flavius29663 4y ago
      When was that data for Italians collected? Nobody in this thread was saying that Italians in the 1990s were forming Mafia...It was about the mass immigration at the end of 19th-beginning of 20th centuries. Just look at the bigger picture: when the US imported large amounts of un-vetted immigrants, you had several ethnic based gangs. The Italian mafia was hard to get rid off once established, but in general you didn't have new ones popping up - that stopped with tougher immigration. Now the only ethnic based gangs are the Spanish speaking ones...it's such a coincidence that the latino gangs started around the time of mass immigration...

rayiner 4y ago

> But mass immigration of low educated individuals is not good, they won't integrate as well as highly skilled workers. It’s not clear to me the highly educated individuals are integrating well. (E.g. high caste Indians bringing caste-based elitism to the U.S.) They're obviously prospering but that's somewhat different.

barry-cotter 4y ago
Intermarriage rates for Indian Americans are very high which would suggest that they’re integrating. If caste lasts in the US it will be the first place in the Indian diaspora that it does. For US born 29% marry outside of ethnic group. At those rates once mass Indian immigration ends it’ll be two to three generations before the ethnic group are pretty much completely American, like German Americans or Italian Americans. https://www.brownpundits.com/2021/06/27/indian-american-survey-outmarriage-rate/ https://www.brownpundits.com/2021/06/27/indian-american-surv...
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  Compare with ~80% intermarriage rate for "poor" Italian immigrants https://books.google.com/books?id=Tj1E7-j8w1MC&pg=PA290&lpg=PA290&dq=80%25+of+italian+americans+%22intermarriage%22&source=bl&ots=vp2E6PPJ7F&sig=ACfU3U0hlL1mBqFv5HrwlJIE4z8ytlkJbA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjRi5rNkeT3AhXjHzQIHagHD48Q6AF6BAgXEAM#v=onepage&q=80%25%20of%20italian%20americans%20%22intermarriage%22&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Tj1E7-j8w1MC&pg=PA290&lpg=...
  - flavius29663 4y ago
    When was that data for Italians collected? Nobody in this thread was saying that Italians in the 1990s were forming Mafia...It was about the mass immigration at the end of 19th-beginning of 20th centuries. Just look at the bigger picture: when the US imported large amounts of un-vetted immigrants, you had several ethnic based gangs. The Italian mafia was hard to get rid off once established, but in general you didn't have new ones popping up - that stopped with tougher immigration. Now the only ethnic based gangs are the Spanish speaking ones...it's such a coincidence that the latino gangs started around the time of mass immigration...