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> There's a lot of wealthy people who want easily manipulated, uneducated, trapped-in-poverty workers to exploit. I think it's a lot less wealthy people are ev

> There's a lot of wealthy people who want easily manipulated, uneducated, trapped-in-poverty workers to exploit. I think it's a lot less wealthy people are evil and a lot more they just don't want to pay for these things. Very few people benefit from a poorly educated society. But the top 1% pay for 38.8% of Federal taxes. It's more about not wanting to pay $100k+ in taxes and less about being evil and wanting your countrymen to be dumb and poor so you can exploit them. Sure, some wealthy people are literally villains. Most of them aren't. Even the ones who vote for said policies. It's more greed than evil.

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ClumsyPilot 4y ago
"It's more greed than evil." Does this sounds like convincing or meaningfull distinction to anyone? Like you could say the same about drug lords and mafia bosses. Except the rair psyco, no-one does something evil just because they are evil. Like all crimes are comitted out of greed, or jealousy, etc. "But the top 1% pay for 38.8% of Federal taxes." But that's mathematically inevitable if they have >30% of all wealth - if they (hypothetically) would earn 100% of all the money, they would pay 100% of all the taxes.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  > Like you could say the same about drug lords and mafia bosses. Drug lords and mafia bosses are literally overseeing murders on a regular basis. The business is inherently shady. I think there's a difference between not wanting to finance someone's welfare and breaking their kneecaps or killing them if they're late on a payment.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    It's the difference in pulling the lever vs. letting the trolley roll towards the victims while your hand is on the lever. The philosophical jury's out on whether it's a difference with meaning, but we seem to feel in our guts it is. Our guts are products of evolution, not reason.
  - softcactus 4y ago
    Every industry murders people. Car companies have risk analysts determine how many people have to die before it's worth it to issue a recall. Food companies cause diabetes and heart disease in an effort to make food more addictive to increase their margins. The difference is that the ratio of profit/human life is lower in criminal industries, more people die for less profit. The distinction between greed and evil is pointless. Evil isn't a cartoon villain scheming to harm others, evil is boring and banal and happens every day. Evil is the negative externalities of decisions that are made for some greater purpose whether it's national security, profit, or greater benefit to society.
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  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    What finance of welfare? The post above talks about agriculture industry exploiting vulnerable people without legal status for hard labour and without access to healrhcare. They quote literally do cause people to die for profit. It the other way round -thje ageicuulture industry steals from these people - it steals their health and future earning. If a business makes money by causing death, it is basically pillaging. Its like owning serfs or debt bondage

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ClumsyPilot 4y ago

"It's more greed than evil." Does this sounds like convincing or meaningfull distinction to anyone? Like you could say the same about drug lords and mafia bosses. Except the rair psyco, no-one does something evil just because they are evil. Like all crimes are comitted out of greed, or jealousy, etc. "But the top 1% pay for 38.8% of Federal taxes." But that's mathematically inevitable if they have >30% of all wealth - if they (hypothetically) would earn 100% of all the money, they would pay 100% of all the taxes.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
> Like you could say the same about drug lords and mafia bosses. Drug lords and mafia bosses are literally overseeing murders on a regular basis. The business is inherently shady. I think there's a difference between not wanting to finance someone's welfare and breaking their kneecaps or killing them if they're late on a payment.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  It's the difference in pulling the lever vs. letting the trolley roll towards the victims while your hand is on the lever. The philosophical jury's out on whether it's a difference with meaning, but we seem to feel in our guts it is. Our guts are products of evolution, not reason.
- softcactus 4y ago
  Every industry murders people. Car companies have risk analysts determine how many people have to die before it's worth it to issue a recall. Food companies cause diabetes and heart disease in an effort to make food more addictive to increase their margins. The difference is that the ratio of profit/human life is lower in criminal industries, more people die for less profit. The distinction between greed and evil is pointless. Evil isn't a cartoon villain scheming to harm others, evil is boring and banal and happens every day. Evil is the negative externalities of decisions that are made for some greater purpose whether it's national security, profit, or greater benefit to society.
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- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  What finance of welfare? The post above talks about agriculture industry exploiting vulnerable people without legal status for hard labour and without access to healrhcare. They quote literally do cause people to die for profit. It the other way round -thje ageicuulture industry steals from these people - it steals their health and future earning. If a business makes money by causing death, it is basically pillaging. Its like owning serfs or debt bondage