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> If we would open for free migration, is there seriously any reason to think that migration would be so intense that the country wouldn't be able to handle it?

> If we would open for free migration, is there seriously any reason to think that migration would be so intense that the country wouldn't be able to handle it? Depends on what you think "be able to handle it" means. There are many tradeoffs. > there are place which offer free movements of people (e.g. the EU) where opening up the borders (or the flood gates if you will) has turned out to be a great success The EU has a very strict immigration policy for people outside of the EU and it also has natural language barriers that bar foreigners from almost all jobs.

netsharc 4y ago
> The EU has a very strict immigration policy for people outside of the EU and it also has natural language barriers that bar foreigners from almost all jobs. I would disagree, or do you mean immigration as in naturalisation? The EU's blue card [1] system will give you a residence permit (initially a limited one that you'll have to extend after a few years, and afterwards usually a permanent one) if you have a master's degree and a job offer where the salary is market-compatible. As for the language, places like Germany are desperate for IT people that the companies are adopting English as the corporate language, it also helps with the employees from other EU countries who are there thanks to freedom of movement. [1] https://visaguide.world/europe/eu-blue-card/ https://visaguide.world/europe/eu-blue-card/
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
  As you have noted the blue card allows you to work in any EU country once you get a work permit in one. You can go on LinkedIn and see how many companies are ready to sponsor your first work permit even for positions that require a degree and 5+ years of experience. Places like Germany are desperate for IT people, yes, but most companies still wouldn't hire people without ready work permits.
sgjohnson 4y ago
> The EU has a very strict immigration policy for people outside of the EU and it also has natural language barriers that bar foreigners from almost all jobs. In addition to the EU immigration policy, each individual state has got it’s own, and it’s typically a lot laxer than the EU one. So it’s not really that simple. The blue pass is a bad example.

netsharc 4y ago

> The EU has a very strict immigration policy for people outside of the EU and it also has natural language barriers that bar foreigners from almost all jobs. I would disagree, or do you mean immigration as in naturalisation? The EU's blue card [1] system will give you a residence permit (initially a limited one that you'll have to extend after a few years, and afterwards usually a permanent one) if you have a master's degree and a job offer where the salary is market-compatible. As for the language, places like Germany are desperate for IT people that the companies are adopting English as the corporate language, it also helps with the employees from other EU countries who are there thanks to freedom of movement. [1] https://visaguide.world/europe/eu-blue-card/ https://visaguide.world/europe/eu-blue-card/

LudwigNagasena 4y ago
As you have noted the blue card allows you to work in any EU country once you get a work permit in one. You can go on LinkedIn and see how many companies are ready to sponsor your first work permit even for positions that require a degree and 5+ years of experience. Places like Germany are desperate for IT people, yes, but most companies still wouldn't hire people without ready work permits.

sgjohnson 4y ago

> The EU has a very strict immigration policy for people outside of the EU and it also has natural language barriers that bar foreigners from almost all jobs. In addition to the EU immigration policy, each individual state has got it’s own, and it’s typically a lot laxer than the EU one. So it’s not really that simple. The blue pass is a bad example.