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No, censorship is not OK, and free expression will probably win in end. People don't like to be shut up, and in the long run capitalism provides people with wha

No, censorship is not OK, and free expression will probably win in end. People don't like to be shut up, and in the long run capitalism provides people with what they like.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
Capitalism won't however, allow for speech which threatens its own existence. Utterances which pose a threat and cannot be subsumed by capitalism are stopped, erased, and penalized. I'll argue that this is the very speech that is most important to protect.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  > Capitalism won't however, allow for speech which threatens its own existence. What are some examples of that kind of speech?
  - barbacoa 4y ago
    The most obvious example is that time free speech was used to elect a certain someone who was politically hated by the big tech capitalist class.
    - krapp 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - barbacoa 4y ago
        It's not that this certain someone is anti-capitalist. Establishment big business class has tentacles of influence that extends into the establishment politician class. Making enemies of establishment politicians made him the enemy of big business.
      - mbg721 4y ago
        The depressing part was that a globalist billionaire (and not a particularly conservative one historically) was perceived as the only viable option conservatives had to disrupt the existing party cronyism. In 1992, that option was Ross Perot, also a billionaire, until the deal with Bush and the weird withdrawing and reentering the candidacy. The mainstream Republican Party has been generally disliked by conservative voters for a long time, but they don't have anywhere else to go, and Democrats' policy positions are completely unacceptable to them.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    I'm assuming it would get me banned, but nice try ;)
somewhereoutth 4y ago
Actually a mixed economy provides people with what they like, with about 40% organised by the state. Free expression has always had limits, particularly regarding 'spreading lies about others' and 'inciting bad stuff'.

No, censorship is not OK, and free expression will probably win in end. People don't like to be shut up, and in the long run capitalism provides people with what they like.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

Capitalism won't however, allow for speech which threatens its own existence. Utterances which pose a threat and cannot be subsumed by capitalism are stopped, erased, and penalized. I'll argue that this is the very speech that is most important to protect.

cato_the_elder 4y ago
> Capitalism won't however, allow for speech which threatens its own existence. What are some examples of that kind of speech?
- barbacoa 4y ago
  The most obvious example is that time free speech was used to elect a certain someone who was politically hated by the big tech capitalist class.
  - krapp 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - barbacoa 4y ago
      It's not that this certain someone is anti-capitalist. Establishment big business class has tentacles of influence that extends into the establishment politician class. Making enemies of establishment politicians made him the enemy of big business.
    - mbg721 4y ago
      The depressing part was that a globalist billionaire (and not a particularly conservative one historically) was perceived as the only viable option conservatives had to disrupt the existing party cronyism. In 1992, that option was Ross Perot, also a billionaire, until the deal with Bush and the weird withdrawing and reentering the candidacy. The mainstream Republican Party has been generally disliked by conservative voters for a long time, but they don't have anywhere else to go, and Democrats' policy positions are completely unacceptable to them.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  I'm assuming it would get me banned, but nice try ;)

somewhereoutth 4y ago

Actually a mixed economy provides people with what they like, with about 40% organised by the state. Free expression has always had limits, particularly regarding 'spreading lies about others' and 'inciting bad stuff'.