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Can you share some of the evidence? You've explained that you think it would be solved if it looked like what you described, but it might never look like that

Can you share some of the evidence? You've explained that you think it would be solved if it looked like what you described, but it might never look like that even if it was solved, so we'd never know. Perhaps a more useful question would have been how do we know the problem still exists? What's the evidence that women are treated worse in the game dev industry because they're women?

dahart 4y ago
I did share some of the evidence; what I pointed at does prove the existence of a problem, it is more than simply what I think an eventual solution would look like. The fact that the level of CS education is changing and different in the US vs India demonstrates that it cannot be intrinsic to women or because we’re talking about women, it must be something else. Given this fact, at some level you should be asking yourself the question where is the proof that there isn’t a problem? If there’s any question whether we have a social problem, and it reflects on us poorly, then don’t we have a responsibility to investigate, as opposed to denying it? Women are reporting their experiences, and stories of game dev toxicity have hit the national media multiple times, with studios subsequently admitting they have problem. There is still a well documented pay gap. There is under-representation of women in industry compared to numbers of women that aim for the field studying art & computer science. I was also partly referring to the widespread documentation of bias problems today in all industries and in all countries, not necessarily specific to the US or to game dev. We just haven’t yet solved all sexism & racism, the evidence for this abounds, and it’s not that surprising since not enough time has passed. If you’re really curious please actually do some active research of your own and don’t wait for someone on the internet to defend it. Read the history of Suffrage. Read about the glass ceiling over the 20th century. Take a look at the stats of women in various field over time. Read a little of some of the feminist thinkers. Talk to multiple women, game devs even, and get their perspective, they don’t all have the same experience nor see it the same way.

dahart 4y ago

I did share some of the evidence; what I pointed at does prove the existence of a problem, it is more than simply what I think an eventual solution would look like. The fact that the level of CS education is changing and different in the US vs India demonstrates that it cannot be intrinsic to women or because we’re talking about women, it must be something else. Given this fact, at some level you should be asking yourself the question where is the proof that there isn’t a problem? If there’s any question whether we have a social problem, and it reflects on us poorly, then don’t we have a responsibility to investigate, as opposed to denying it? Women are reporting their experiences, and stories of game dev toxicity have hit the national media multiple times, with studios subsequently admitting they have problem. There is still a well documented pay gap. There is under-representation of women in industry compared to numbers of women that aim for the field studying art & computer science. I was also partly referring to the widespread documentation of bias problems today in all industries and in all countries, not necessarily specific to the US or to game dev. We just haven’t yet solved all sexism & racism, the evidence for this abounds, and it’s not that surprising since not enough time has passed. If you’re really curious please actually do some active research of your own and don’t wait for someone on the internet to defend it. Read the history of Suffrage. Read about the glass ceiling over the 20th century. Take a look at the stats of women in various field over time. Read a little of some of the feminist thinkers. Talk to multiple women, game devs even, and get their perspective, they don’t all have the same experience nor see it the same way.