I also deliberately avoided using them as they (IMO) belong to the "bad parts", or at least the parts that most mortal frontend devs don't need to use outside o

I also deliberately avoided using them as they (IMO) belong to the "bad parts", or at least the parts that most mortal frontend devs don't need to use outside of interviews. With frameworks, it's easy to avoid them and unless you write lots of vanilla or you roll your own framework, they just don't come up, and therefore I expect my colleagues (and me) to just mess things up when we try to use them.