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Sad to hear. Growing up I had an Onkyo amplifier that I liked a lot. I picked it up at a garage sale for a few dollars and used it through my teenage years.

by Cerium 4y ago

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
It is sad. Many classic brands have gone by the wayside. Not all have been satisfactorily replaced. Onkyo had some very good quality, for a fairly reasonable price.
- codefreeordie 4y ago
  Very true -- though the expectations we have for audio equipment has changed in ways that make what Onkyo was really good at less important.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    The switch to little bitty teeny tiny speakers just makes me sad. I miss my towers with multiple drivers and crossovers accordingly.
    - retcon 4y ago
      [Edit] (large format) ,[/] Surround American made monitors designed by the Pet Sounds engineer Alan Sides. https://oceanwayaudio.com/as-the-sea-level-rises-for-immersive-audio-streaming-renowned-mix-engineer-chris-lord-alge-installs-ocean-way-monitoring-system-for-his-dolby-atmos-mixes-at-mix-la/ https://oceanwayaudio.com/as-the-sea-level-rises-for-immersi... British (also available in consumer version and pretty finishing): ATC SCM150 https://atc.audio/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm150/ https://atc.audio/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm150/ American: JBL M2 https://jblpro.com/products/m2 https://jblpro.com/products/m2 (Or just buy JBL commercial theater smaller models like many installers do) German: Neumann KH420 https://en-de.neumann.com/kh-420 https://en-de.neumann.com/kh-420 Yamaha NS-5000 https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/speaker_systems/ns-5000/index.html https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/speaker_s... All these cost about thirty thousand dollars including appropriate amplification and tax before installation. I make this a loss leader run by all the industry for labor and materials only. Every one is a halo product and worthy of that description.
      - dylan604 4y ago
        Audiophiles, aka audio nerds, have always given me a chuckle in a good spirited way. The Ocean Way link is a great example. Just look at the image of that mix bay. The first one looks normal-ish with a left-front and right-front cluster and assumingly a matching center channel right in front of the console. Alongside that center channel is probably a few near field L/R pairs. So far, so good. Scroll down though, and we start to see the where the -phile takes over. The introduction of the side speakers are where the true geeky levels start oozing. You can see the side channels in pair of near field speakers as well as the rear surrounds in the very top of the image. However, it's the fact that there's now a bit of rigging brought in to fly a couple of speakers directly overhead. I'm also guessing there are more speakers on the rear wall that were not in the frame. I'm guessing it sounds pretty amazing, but no mere mortal can afford the home version of that making it well outside the acceptability of main stream. Hence the plight of DVD-Audio. I am always amazed at the sound field imaging that can be created from some very well produced stereo. Just 2 n-way speakers, a good amp, and the mind of a great engineer.
        brokenmachine 4y ago
        You need much more than stereo for Atmos mixing, including overhead speakers.
    - JKCalhoun 4y ago
      When I discovered full-range I disavowed multiple drivers, crossovers. Try it sometime. It's like headphones without the headphones. Crossovers + multiple drivers kill phase information and you throw the "sound stage" out the window.
      - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
        You can have 2-way coaxes. I do like the sound, but they tend to bundle so the sweet spot is small.
        JKCalhoun 4y ago
        I understand the cross-over also destroys phase — so I think you're still losing the headphone-like quality that full range give you.
        dylan604 4y ago
        You keep stating this phase destruction like it is gospel. However, if a crossover is negatively affecting the phasing, something is wrong. Maybe it's a cheap design on a cheap product, or a poorly made something with a good design, but if you have a crossover doing this, then replace the crossover. Many many sound systems do not have this issue that you seem to be convinced is normal operation of a crossover. If this was a normal thing and accepted by everyone everywhere, then loud music would never sound right. I'd suggest stop buying equipment from Radio Shack ;-)
        JKCalhoun 4y ago
        Lot of discussion of crossovers and phase here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/how-does-a-crossover-alter-speaker-phase.328978/ https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/how-does-a-crosso... It appears it is possible to create a crossover that preserves phase but it is difficult. Most designs instead try to minimize the phase difference. (And the worse crossovers don't bother at all.) Regardless, as soon as I listened to full range drivers (with no mid-range, crossovers, etc.) it was clear nothing I had listened to before could compare.
JKCalhoun 4y ago
I still have an Onkyo ... Mini-Disc system from Japan.

Sad to hear. Growing up I had an Onkyo amplifier that I liked a lot. I picked it up at a garage sale for a few dollars and used it through my teenage years.

by Cerium 4y ago

Sad to hear. Growing up I had an Onkyo amplifier that I liked a lot. I picked it up at a garage sale for a few dollars and used it through my teenage years.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

It is sad. Many classic brands have gone by the wayside. Not all have been satisfactorily replaced. Onkyo had some very good quality, for a fairly reasonable price.

codefreeordie 4y ago
Very true -- though the expectations we have for audio equipment has changed in ways that make what Onkyo was really good at less important.
- dylan604 4y ago
  The switch to little bitty teeny tiny speakers just makes me sad. I miss my towers with multiple drivers and crossovers accordingly.
  - retcon 4y ago
    [Edit] (large format) ,[/] Surround American made monitors designed by the Pet Sounds engineer Alan Sides. https://oceanwayaudio.com/as-the-sea-level-rises-for-immersive-audio-streaming-renowned-mix-engineer-chris-lord-alge-installs-ocean-way-monitoring-system-for-his-dolby-atmos-mixes-at-mix-la/ https://oceanwayaudio.com/as-the-sea-level-rises-for-immersi... British (also available in consumer version and pretty finishing): ATC SCM150 https://atc.audio/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm150/ https://atc.audio/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm150/ American: JBL M2 https://jblpro.com/products/m2 https://jblpro.com/products/m2 (Or just buy JBL commercial theater smaller models like many installers do) German: Neumann KH420 https://en-de.neumann.com/kh-420 https://en-de.neumann.com/kh-420 Yamaha NS-5000 https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/speaker_systems/ns-5000/index.html https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/speaker_s... All these cost about thirty thousand dollars including appropriate amplification and tax before installation. I make this a loss leader run by all the industry for labor and materials only. Every one is a halo product and worthy of that description.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      Audiophiles, aka audio nerds, have always given me a chuckle in a good spirited way. The Ocean Way link is a great example. Just look at the image of that mix bay. The first one looks normal-ish with a left-front and right-front cluster and assumingly a matching center channel right in front of the console. Alongside that center channel is probably a few near field L/R pairs. So far, so good. Scroll down though, and we start to see the where the -phile takes over. The introduction of the side speakers are where the true geeky levels start oozing. You can see the side channels in pair of near field speakers as well as the rear surrounds in the very top of the image. However, it's the fact that there's now a bit of rigging brought in to fly a couple of speakers directly overhead. I'm also guessing there are more speakers on the rear wall that were not in the frame. I'm guessing it sounds pretty amazing, but no mere mortal can afford the home version of that making it well outside the acceptability of main stream. Hence the plight of DVD-Audio. I am always amazed at the sound field imaging that can be created from some very well produced stereo. Just 2 n-way speakers, a good amp, and the mind of a great engineer.
      - brokenmachine 4y ago
        You need much more than stereo for Atmos mixing, including overhead speakers.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    When I discovered full-range I disavowed multiple drivers, crossovers. Try it sometime. It's like headphones without the headphones. Crossovers + multiple drivers kill phase information and you throw the "sound stage" out the window.
    - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
      You can have 2-way coaxes. I do like the sound, but they tend to bundle so the sweet spot is small.
      - JKCalhoun 4y ago
        I understand the cross-over also destroys phase — so I think you're still losing the headphone-like quality that full range give you.
        dylan604 4y ago
        You keep stating this phase destruction like it is gospel. However, if a crossover is negatively affecting the phasing, something is wrong. Maybe it's a cheap design on a cheap product, or a poorly made something with a good design, but if you have a crossover doing this, then replace the crossover. Many many sound systems do not have this issue that you seem to be convinced is normal operation of a crossover. If this was a normal thing and accepted by everyone everywhere, then loud music would never sound right. I'd suggest stop buying equipment from Radio Shack ;-)
        JKCalhoun 4y ago
        Lot of discussion of crossovers and phase here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/how-does-a-crossover-alter-speaker-phase.328978/ https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/how-does-a-crosso... It appears it is possible to create a crossover that preserves phase but it is difficult. Most designs instead try to minimize the phase difference. (And the worse crossovers don't bother at all.) Regardless, as soon as I listened to full range drivers (with no mid-range, crossovers, etc.) it was clear nothing I had listened to before could compare.

JKCalhoun 4y ago

I still have an Onkyo ... Mini-Disc system from Japan.