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> "Worse yet, when they go to France... the French will refuse to talk to them in french and default to English with them." That's fascinating, so they pick up

by 4oo4 4y ago

> "Worse yet, when they go to France... the French will refuse to talk to them in french and default to English with them." That's fascinating, so they pick up that it's Québécois French and then decide to do that? Is there something in particular that makes them look down on people from Quebec or Québécois French? I lived in France for a while, and didn't experience very many people wanting to speak English with me since my French was pretty good, though I have a very thick anglophone accent (I'm American, but they always assumed I was British for some reason). Usually my experience has been that most French people don't want to speak anything other than French unless they are purposefully wanting to practice their English with someone (and not speaking any French and trying to beg people to communicate with you in English is a great way to make people instantly annoyed with you). The fact they would do the opposite with people that speak a slightly different variant of French is really surprising. I don't know anything about the Canadian constitution, but I would find it surprising if this passed judicial review, forcing doctors to communicate with patients in a language they don't know is asking for terrible medical outcomes. Potentially having a dead patient because they couldn't effectively communicate with them (like a drug allergy for example) to preserve cultural purity does not seem "reasonable" nor "can be justified in a free and democratic society", according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, with how much other democratic norms and rights are backsliding all over the place it also wouldn't be surprising if this was upheld somehow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression_in_Canad...

HDMI_Cable 4y ago
> I don't know anything about the Canadian constitution, but I would find it surprising if this passed judicial review, The thing with the Canadian Constitution (specifically the Charter) is that this behaviour is specifically allowed. There is a provision in the Charter, called the Notwithstanding Clause, that allows provinces to "temporarily" go against some Charter rights. The clause was added specifically to placate the provinces, who wouldn't have accepted it otherwise [1]. --- [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Cha...
- 4oo4 4y ago
  Wow, that is a giant loophole, thanks for the info. Power struggles like this between provinces/states and federal/national governments are fascinating to me. I studied a lot about how this plays out in US politics, but am totally ignorant about this dynamic happens in other countries.
incomingpain 4y ago
>That's fascinating, so they pick up that it's Québécois French and then decide to do that? Is there something in particular that makes them look down on people from Quebec or Québécois French? In Ontario, we are taught france french. I'm a dummy when it comes to french, I genuinely try and wish I could speak any french Ottawa french, tends to work both in quebec and france. This isn't so much the different in french but rather who is speaking it. >I lived in France for a while, and didn't experience very many people wanting to speak English with me since my French was pretty good, though I have a very thick anglophone accent (I'm American, but they always assumed I was British for some reason). Doesnt surprise me at all. Of course the intention is to continue speaking french. >The fact they would do the opposite with people that speak a slightly different variant of French is really surprising. It's not the french syntax or something, in fact in a way france respects quebec's ability to keep french going despite being surrounded by english. >I don't know anything about the Canadian constitution, but I would find it surprising if this passed judicial review, forcing doctors to communicate with patients in a language they don't know is asking for terrible medical outcomes. I have no ability to prove what high school I went to. I love going to montreal, northsec is awesome. F1 is awesome. I cant go there now that doctors have been ordered to not speak english to me. >Potentially having a dead patient because they couldn't effectively communicate with them (like a drug allergy for example) to preserve cultural purity does not seem "reasonable" nor "can be justified in a free and democratic society", according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, with how much other democratic norms and rights are backsliding all over the place it also wouldn't be surprising if this was upheld somehow. This isn't the only place there are problems with charter rights violations in canada.

by 4oo4 4y ago

HDMI_Cable 4y ago

> I don't know anything about the Canadian constitution, but I would find it surprising if this passed judicial review, The thing with the Canadian Constitution (specifically the Charter) is that this behaviour is specifically allowed. There is a provision in the Charter, called the Notwithstanding Clause, that allows provinces to "temporarily" go against some Charter rights. The clause was added specifically to placate the provinces, who wouldn't have accepted it otherwise [1]. --- [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Cha...

4oo4 4y ago
Wow, that is a giant loophole, thanks for the info. Power struggles like this between provinces/states and federal/national governments are fascinating to me. I studied a lot about how this plays out in US politics, but am totally ignorant about this dynamic happens in other countries.

incomingpain 4y ago

>That's fascinating, so they pick up that it's Québécois French and then decide to do that? Is there something in particular that makes them look down on people from Quebec or Québécois French? In Ontario, we are taught france french. I'm a dummy when it comes to french, I genuinely try and wish I could speak any french Ottawa french, tends to work both in quebec and france. This isn't so much the different in french but rather who is speaking it. >I lived in France for a while, and didn't experience very many people wanting to speak English with me since my French was pretty good, though I have a very thick anglophone accent (I'm American, but they always assumed I was British for some reason). Doesnt surprise me at all. Of course the intention is to continue speaking french. >The fact they would do the opposite with people that speak a slightly different variant of French is really surprising. It's not the french syntax or something, in fact in a way france respects quebec's ability to keep french going despite being surrounded by english. >I don't know anything about the Canadian constitution, but I would find it surprising if this passed judicial review, forcing doctors to communicate with patients in a language they don't know is asking for terrible medical outcomes. I have no ability to prove what high school I went to. I love going to montreal, northsec is awesome. F1 is awesome. I cant go there now that doctors have been ordered to not speak english to me. >Potentially having a dead patient because they couldn't effectively communicate with them (like a drug allergy for example) to preserve cultural purity does not seem "reasonable" nor "can be justified in a free and democratic society", according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, with how much other democratic norms and rights are backsliding all over the place it also wouldn't be surprising if this was upheld somehow. This isn't the only place there are problems with charter rights violations in canada.