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Those returns were funded by other people's losses. It's a net negative on society because now we have a few people who are richer and many who are poorer becau

by sp332 4y ago

Those returns were funded by other people's losses. It's a net negative on society because now we have a few people who are richer and many who are poorer because of crypto. Overall we are better off without it.

_5uxp 4y ago
Ok but how did recent stocks that crashed funded by then? Your retirement fund and money printer along with retail?
- sp332 4y ago
  People work at companies to actually do something useful. The money that investors take out is mostly earned from customers who paid for a product or service they thought was worth more than the price they paid. Returns on stock market investments are not mostly taken from other investors' invested money. And NASDAQ is still above its 2019 peak.
  - AnonC 4y ago
    > The money that investors take out is mostly earned from customers who paid for a product or service they thought was worth more than the price they paid. Returns on stock market investments are not mostly taken from other investors' invested money. I don’t agree with these points, having seen loss making companies have sky high valuations and stock prices (see Amazon in its first decade and a half, Netflix, and some more companies that had or have a large negative P/E ratio). Companies being profitable is not a requirement for stock prices to go up. It’s been all about how much a company can grow revenues (taken as a proxy of increased market share) even if it’s losing money.
AnonC 4y ago
> Those returns were funded by other people's losses. This may be true depending on what (which cryptocurrency and what time frame) you’re talking about. But it can also be true for other cases that the returns were funded by easy money created by central banks that were deployed to chase higher returns (hence the stock market bubble and the cryptocurrency bubbles).

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Those returns were funded by other people's losses. It's a net negative on society because now we have a few people who are richer and many who are poorer becau

by sp332 4y ago

_5uxp 4y ago
Ok but how did recent stocks that crashed funded by then? Your retirement fund and money printer along with retail?
- sp332 4y ago
  People work at companies to actually do something useful. The money that investors take out is mostly earned from customers who paid for a product or service they thought was worth more than the price they paid. Returns on stock market investments are not mostly taken from other investors' invested money. And NASDAQ is still above its 2019 peak.
  - AnonC 4y ago
    > The money that investors take out is mostly earned from customers who paid for a product or service they thought was worth more than the price they paid. Returns on stock market investments are not mostly taken from other investors' invested money. I don’t agree with these points, having seen loss making companies have sky high valuations and stock prices (see Amazon in its first decade and a half, Netflix, and some more companies that had or have a large negative P/E ratio). Companies being profitable is not a requirement for stock prices to go up. It’s been all about how much a company can grow revenues (taken as a proxy of increased market share) even if it’s losing money.
AnonC 4y ago
> Those returns were funded by other people's losses. This may be true depending on what (which cryptocurrency and what time frame) you’re talking about. But it can also be true for other cases that the returns were funded by easy money created by central banks that were deployed to chase higher returns (hence the stock market bubble and the cryptocurrency bubbles).