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I think the experience Elon Musk had in regards to this effect is why he developed a strong aversion for misinformation/lies - and why he seems to have genuinel

by loceng 4y ago

I think the experience Elon Musk had in regards to this effect is why he developed a strong aversion for misinformation/lies - and why he seems to have genuinely decided to acquire Twitter; even if he's playing a game to see if either he can get it cheaper than his offer by forcing Twitter to be transparent with its numbers, or deciding its not worth anywhere near $44 billion - and perhaps launching his own platform; he does have x.com - not the best for branding, but quick to type at least; x marks the spot. I don't think ephemeral messages really solve the problem because the information that seems most often weaponized are public posts - or a person can just take a screenshot of it if they're interacting with you for the express purpose of gathering something they could frame in a bad light against you.

belltaco 4y ago
>I think the experience Elon Musk had in regards to this effect is why he developed a strong aversion for misinformation/lies I'm lost. Musk himself was spreading misinformation and lies about Covid, e.g. about HCQ/Ivermectin being magic cures to his 62M twitter followers. What lies and misinformation are you talking about?
- loceng 4y ago
  So you're certain that the pharmaceutical industrial complex had nothing to do with suppressing existing, safe medications, by spreading propaganda that they weren't effective - and even dangerous - rather that you need to buy their newer, expensive treatment? Are you so sure Musk was spreading misinformation? Did you know that Pfizers new anti-viral drug targets the same pathway that Ivermectin apparently uses as well? I've seen that stated elsewhere - but also someone on HN not so long ago brought it up too, and provided citations to that research. Are you aware of how much money and what % of ad spend on mainstream-mass media channels is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry? Ads which are solely meant to manipulate people to believe something to then do certain behaviours they otherwise wouldn't have? Is it starting to feel like a conspiracy theory to you, even though the logic holds?
  - belltaco 4y ago
    Musk doesn't know how to read and interpret medical studies. So he thought HCQ was a magic cure based on a quack Google doc and spread it. Ivermectin turned out to be somewhat helpful only if the covid patient had stomach worms which is rare in the US. Ad spending by pharma companies doesn't there are bad quality studies pushed by quacks who mislead people like Musk, Trump and Fox News hosts who have their own agendas. If any of those actually worked after 2 years of intense research the Chinese govt would be all over them instead of wrecking their economy and political capital with lockdowns. Musk has hundreds of billions, if those drugs actually worked he could have funded studies on them, but even he is smart enough to not continue to believe his own disproven bullshit that he feeds to conspiracy theorists.
    - loceng 4y ago
      You bought into the propaganda hook, line, sunk - all of your responses are exactly shallow narratives the mainstream establishment trained the general population with. I'm not even going to bother linking to you to 5+ hours of testimony from various highly credentialed experts sharing their expertise as well as data, because you'll see a few of the names who have been demonized and had smear campaigns against them - and you'll then immediately and reactively dismiss the actual content of the video; there's also a 30-40 minute summary version of the video which is more easy to digest initially but I'd recommend watching the full version. If you'd actually like to watch what I'm talking about then ask and I'll link it.
      - belltaco 4y ago
        The studies and the data from all around the world don't lie. HCQ and Ivermectin don't work. The MRNA vaccines are highly safe and effective like Paxlovid. Five hours of ranting without any proof will not change anything. Meanwhile Musk is so clueless about viruses that he said coronavirus is a type of cold, ignoring SARS and the super deadly MERS which were both coronaviruses. As I said, lies and misinformation while not having the first clue about viruses.
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by loceng 4y ago

belltaco 4y ago

>I think the experience Elon Musk had in regards to this effect is why he developed a strong aversion for misinformation/lies I'm lost. Musk himself was spreading misinformation and lies about Covid, e.g. about HCQ/Ivermectin being magic cures to his 62M twitter followers. What lies and misinformation are you talking about?

loceng 4y ago
So you're certain that the pharmaceutical industrial complex had nothing to do with suppressing existing, safe medications, by spreading propaganda that they weren't effective - and even dangerous - rather that you need to buy their newer, expensive treatment? Are you so sure Musk was spreading misinformation? Did you know that Pfizers new anti-viral drug targets the same pathway that Ivermectin apparently uses as well? I've seen that stated elsewhere - but also someone on HN not so long ago brought it up too, and provided citations to that research. Are you aware of how much money and what % of ad spend on mainstream-mass media channels is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry? Ads which are solely meant to manipulate people to believe something to then do certain behaviours they otherwise wouldn't have? Is it starting to feel like a conspiracy theory to you, even though the logic holds?
- belltaco 4y ago
  Musk doesn't know how to read and interpret medical studies. So he thought HCQ was a magic cure based on a quack Google doc and spread it. Ivermectin turned out to be somewhat helpful only if the covid patient had stomach worms which is rare in the US. Ad spending by pharma companies doesn't there are bad quality studies pushed by quacks who mislead people like Musk, Trump and Fox News hosts who have their own agendas. If any of those actually worked after 2 years of intense research the Chinese govt would be all over them instead of wrecking their economy and political capital with lockdowns. Musk has hundreds of billions, if those drugs actually worked he could have funded studies on them, but even he is smart enough to not continue to believe his own disproven bullshit that he feeds to conspiracy theorists.
  - loceng 4y ago
    You bought into the propaganda hook, line, sunk - all of your responses are exactly shallow narratives the mainstream establishment trained the general population with. I'm not even going to bother linking to you to 5+ hours of testimony from various highly credentialed experts sharing their expertise as well as data, because you'll see a few of the names who have been demonized and had smear campaigns against them - and you'll then immediately and reactively dismiss the actual content of the video; there's also a 30-40 minute summary version of the video which is more easy to digest initially but I'd recommend watching the full version. If you'd actually like to watch what I'm talking about then ask and I'll link it.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      The studies and the data from all around the world don't lie. HCQ and Ivermectin don't work. The MRNA vaccines are highly safe and effective like Paxlovid. Five hours of ranting without any proof will not change anything. Meanwhile Musk is so clueless about viruses that he said coronavirus is a type of cold, ignoring SARS and the super deadly MERS which were both coronaviruses. As I said, lies and misinformation while not having the first clue about viruses.
      - 4y ago