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A "complete solution" is perfectly fine to hit the ground running, but will not stay complete once you go beyond an MVP. I started with WordPress with a bunch o

by cersa8 4y ago

A "complete solution" is perfectly fine to hit the ground running, but will not stay complete once you go beyond an MVP. I started with WordPress with a bunch of plugins and after extending WP beyond its intended purpose decided I rather pick a set of high quality mainstream libraries (next.js, knex.js, passport.js, sharp, bcrypt, MobX, etc) to build upon than shoehorn a complete solution to my needs. I think Next.js has taken a lot of pain out of Webpack/bundling even though I have some gripes with the (SSR) data fetching API.

steve_adams_86 4y ago
What are your gripes with SSR in Next? I have some too. I find the router in next is generally lacking, and there’s no proper way to say “render this on the server for the first request, but do this if the request comes from the application”. I believe there was a method to do it that was deprecated, but in my experimenting it was still not behaving the way I expected. The main issue was that it was hard to prevent various levels of rendering in the page even though I knew it was redundant. When using remix this is trivial to accomplish. I’m not sure I’m sold on remix entirely, but the routing capabilities are far better than Next’s. Also some recent tweets from vercel suggest to me that they might be resolving this soon. Here’s hoping!
- cersa8 4y ago
  Routing is indeed another pain point especially with internationalisation and having multiple dynamic/translated paths to the same page. My issue with data fetching is about the depreciation of getInitialProps() without a good alternative in place: https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/10874 https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/10874 I need a single place to load site translations, user data and what not, preferably without refetching this data on each page transition. I also briefly looked at Remix and love the routing, but do not necessarily want Remix to dictate how I mutate my data.
  - steve_adams_86 4y ago
    Yeah, we’re on the same page with getInitialProps. Next needs something which accomplishes what people want from that, but with ongoing support from the team. I think it’s a special circumstance but still important to support. I’m not aware of a work around at this point. How does remix dictate how you mutate your data?
    - cersa8 4y ago
      "How does remix dictate how you mutate your data?" I didn't word it correctly as Remix doesn't dictate the model. It does seem to have a strong opinion on how to handle form submissions. Trying to closely follow the browsers native form api does make a lot of sense in most situations, but I like a more JavaScript heavy approach to form handling. Especially since I have a lot of complex form interactions.

by cersa8 4y ago

steve_adams_86 4y ago

What are your gripes with SSR in Next? I have some too. I find the router in next is generally lacking, and there’s no proper way to say “render this on the server for the first request, but do this if the request comes from the application”. I believe there was a method to do it that was deprecated, but in my experimenting it was still not behaving the way I expected. The main issue was that it was hard to prevent various levels of rendering in the page even though I knew it was redundant. When using remix this is trivial to accomplish. I’m not sure I’m sold on remix entirely, but the routing capabilities are far better than Next’s. Also some recent tweets from vercel suggest to me that they might be resolving this soon. Here’s hoping!

cersa8 4y ago
Routing is indeed another pain point especially with internationalisation and having multiple dynamic/translated paths to the same page. My issue with data fetching is about the depreciation of getInitialProps() without a good alternative in place: https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/10874 https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/10874 I need a single place to load site translations, user data and what not, preferably without refetching this data on each page transition. I also briefly looked at Remix and love the routing, but do not necessarily want Remix to dictate how I mutate my data.
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  Yeah, we’re on the same page with getInitialProps. Next needs something which accomplishes what people want from that, but with ongoing support from the team. I think it’s a special circumstance but still important to support. I’m not aware of a work around at this point. How does remix dictate how you mutate your data?
  - cersa8 4y ago
    "How does remix dictate how you mutate your data?" I didn't word it correctly as Remix doesn't dictate the model. It does seem to have a strong opinion on how to handle form submissions. Trying to closely follow the browsers native form api does make a lot of sense in most situations, but I like a more JavaScript heavy approach to form handling. Especially since I have a lot of complex form interactions.