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Also rather interesting that Vladimir Putin is thought to have been involved as the RAF handler, if those sources are veritable.

zeristor 4y ago
Also I heard on a History podcast, but can’t yet find any supporting evidence, that the Soviet Union funded the anti-nuclear power movement in West Germany leading to a dependence on Russian Gas. Like I said if this is credible there should be some evidence, but I’d conjecture that perhaps Putin could have been part of that too I’d have thought people would be crowing about that if it was the case.
- sofixa 4y ago
  In a similar vein, albeit with less geopolitics, Big Oil companies funded various environmental groups' anti-nuclear stances and protests, in order to solidify their grip on the energy market.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  Even now, talking about it would lead to a quicker swing back to nuclear power hurting russia's interests.
  - dividedbyzero 4y ago
    Germany is already well on its way to try out renewables in earnest, so the anti-nuclear camp's arguments seem to have convinced a majority of the voters and environmentalists, socialists, conservatives all pushed this when in power. The arguments backing this wouldn't change, so I don't think such a revelation would have a big impact on German energy policy. Besides, the pro-nuclear camp has always had very deep pockets, so I guess whatever funds the Soviet Union/Russia might have provided would have at best/worst only leveled the playing field somewhat. Disclosing this might end some careers, though.
- Arnt 4y ago
  Extremely implausible. The anti-nuclear movement wasn't driven by money. Still isn't. The organisations that wanted nuclear power used money, the ones against used people's time. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/image/sz.1.3984639/1408x792 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/image/sz.1.3984639/1408x792 >1% of the population attended that demonstration, and demonstrations that big matter. But they're not a matter of payment. People weren't paid to go there, they didn't even have their travel costs reimbursed: You can't reimburse 100k people and hope to keep that secret. You can't even reimburse the ~5k organisers.
brazzy 4y ago
> if those sources are veritable. Those sources are pretty shit, honestly. One says the Red Army Faction claimed responsibility (this is not disputed). The other cites an (unnamed) "former Red Army Faction" claiming they had meetings with Putin, but makes no connection with the Herrhausen assassination.

zeristor 4y ago

Also I heard on a History podcast, but can’t yet find any supporting evidence, that the Soviet Union funded the anti-nuclear power movement in West Germany leading to a dependence on Russian Gas. Like I said if this is credible there should be some evidence, but I’d conjecture that perhaps Putin could have been part of that too I’d have thought people would be crowing about that if it was the case.

sofixa 4y ago
In a similar vein, albeit with less geopolitics, Big Oil companies funded various environmental groups' anti-nuclear stances and protests, in order to solidify their grip on the energy market.
londons_explore 4y ago
Even now, talking about it would lead to a quicker swing back to nuclear power hurting russia's interests.
- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  Germany is already well on its way to try out renewables in earnest, so the anti-nuclear camp's arguments seem to have convinced a majority of the voters and environmentalists, socialists, conservatives all pushed this when in power. The arguments backing this wouldn't change, so I don't think such a revelation would have a big impact on German energy policy. Besides, the pro-nuclear camp has always had very deep pockets, so I guess whatever funds the Soviet Union/Russia might have provided would have at best/worst only leveled the playing field somewhat. Disclosing this might end some careers, though.
Arnt 4y ago
Extremely implausible. The anti-nuclear movement wasn't driven by money. Still isn't. The organisations that wanted nuclear power used money, the ones against used people's time. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/image/sz.1.3984639/1408x792 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/image/sz.1.3984639/1408x792 >1% of the population attended that demonstration, and demonstrations that big matter. But they're not a matter of payment. People weren't paid to go there, they didn't even have their travel costs reimbursed: You can't reimburse 100k people and hope to keep that secret. You can't even reimburse the ~5k organisers.

brazzy 4y ago

> if those sources are veritable. Those sources are pretty shit, honestly. One says the Red Army Faction claimed responsibility (this is not disputed). The other cites an (unnamed) "former Red Army Faction" claiming they had meetings with Putin, but makes no connection with the Herrhausen assassination.