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> EDIT: I'm pretty sure that you can't just "drop" a mortar or AT4 warhead reliably either. You'd want to make it into the shape of... well... a bomb. So that t

> EDIT: I'm pretty sure that you can't just "drop" a mortar or AT4 warhead reliably either. You'd want to make it into the shape of... well... a bomb. So that the "shape" of the shape-charge points in the correct direction. they have been dropping 60's-vintage anti-tank hand grenades with 3d printed stabilizers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade#Histor... "220 mm penetration of RHA" which is plenty for top armor

dragontamer 4y ago
> "220 mm penetration of RHA" which is plenty for top armor I seriously doubt that. Almost all modern tanks have reactive-armor on top. There's a reason why NLAW has 500+mm penetration AND top-down. NLAW is single-charge (no-tandem), to punch-through reactive armor requires a lot more penetration. Let alone lol Javelin with top-down, 900mm+ penetration, and tandem charge. I don't think 200mm or even 400mm is considered reliable today.
- nyolfen 4y ago
  you should tell that to the RU tanks getting their lids popped: https://youtu.be/tI5ABZPw9Us https://youtu.be/tI5ABZPw9Us not sure about nlaw but javelin also features a side targeting mode
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    > you should tell that to the RU tanks getting their lids popped: And you should tell that to USA's and Britain's military, which have chosen 400mm penetration (AT4), 500mm top-down penetration (NLAW), and 900mm top-down + tandem penetration (Javelin). 200mm, even top-down, is significantly less than other anti-tank weapons. I presume that the militaries who made these modern weapons know what they're doing.
- jhgb 4y ago
  > Almost all modern tanks have reactive-armor on top. Well it's good for Ukraine then that Russia doesn't really have a lot of modern tanks. > Let alone lol Javelin with top-down, 900mm+ penetration, and tandem charge. A Javelin can engage tanks directly if they're obscured from above of if the distance to target is insufficient for flying on a top-down trajectory, and for those situations it needs the 900mm+ penetration (otherwise the direct attack mode would be unusable and would not be provided as a feature). So you can't make the inference that because Javelin has 900mm+ penetration, top-down attacks require 900mm+ penetration.

dragontamer 4y ago

> "220 mm penetration of RHA" which is plenty for top armor I seriously doubt that. Almost all modern tanks have reactive-armor on top. There's a reason why NLAW has 500+mm penetration AND top-down. NLAW is single-charge (no-tandem), to punch-through reactive armor requires a lot more penetration. Let alone lol Javelin with top-down, 900mm+ penetration, and tandem charge. I don't think 200mm or even 400mm is considered reliable today.

nyolfen 4y ago
you should tell that to the RU tanks getting their lids popped: https://youtu.be/tI5ABZPw9Us https://youtu.be/tI5ABZPw9Us not sure about nlaw but javelin also features a side targeting mode
- dragontamer 4y ago
  > you should tell that to the RU tanks getting their lids popped: And you should tell that to USA's and Britain's military, which have chosen 400mm penetration (AT4), 500mm top-down penetration (NLAW), and 900mm top-down + tandem penetration (Javelin). 200mm, even top-down, is significantly less than other anti-tank weapons. I presume that the militaries who made these modern weapons know what they're doing.
jhgb 4y ago
> Almost all modern tanks have reactive-armor on top. Well it's good for Ukraine then that Russia doesn't really have a lot of modern tanks. > Let alone lol Javelin with top-down, 900mm+ penetration, and tandem charge. A Javelin can engage tanks directly if they're obscured from above of if the distance to target is insufficient for flying on a top-down trajectory, and for those situations it needs the 900mm+ penetration (otherwise the direct attack mode would be unusable and would not be provided as a feature). So you can't make the inference that because Javelin has 900mm+ penetration, top-down attacks require 900mm+ penetration.