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They changed the voting system since 2008 several times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_at_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest#Voting_systems https://en.wikipedia.

They changed the voting system since 2008 several times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_at_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest#Voting_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_at_the_Eurovision_Song_... Also... you can already see Ukraine will get a lot of votes just because of the war not because the actual song. But it always have been like this

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Yep, A LOT of politics in eurosong.... some come from neighboring countries giving votes to eachother, some due to "politics", some due to people living across the border, and a lot due to similar cultures, especially with etno-sounding songs. Add then all the expats (eg. turks in germany), and you get those votes too. This year, ukraine will probably get a lot of pity votes due to the war, maybe even enough to win.
- tragomaskhalos 4y ago
  Depending on my mood I find the blatant politicking/nepotism either infuriating or part of the kitsch charm of the whole thing. Greece for example could spend 3 minutes with one guy banging a spoon on a saucepan while another strangled a cat, and Cyprus would still give them 12 points. Edit: fun fact - this was apparently the first ESC ever without a single entry in French - the French entry was sung in Breton.
  - andrepd 4y ago
    > Depending on my mood I find the blatant politicking/nepotism either infuriating or part of the kitsch charm of the whole thing. 100% the latter. Moaning about Cyprus is an integral part of the experience.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    Well yeah... but usually the scandinavian countries gave eachother high points, and balkan countries did the same, eastern bloc, etc, so they were on similar high ground (while countries like UK didn't get any, but noone cared), and the winner basically depended on the few other countries, and 3, 4, 5 an 6 points from the balkan/scandinavian/... countries. What happened yesterday was kinda predictable with all the "1 vote" = "1 thought and prayer" logic,but kinda ruined the voting and the end-results-suspense for me. I also didn't really like the song, also because it's not something I can see layed on non-ukranian radio stations, but yeah... politics.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

Yep, A LOT of politics in eurosong.... some come from neighboring countries giving votes to eachother, some due to "politics", some due to people living across the border, and a lot due to similar cultures, especially with etno-sounding songs. Add then all the expats (eg. turks in germany), and you get those votes too. This year, ukraine will probably get a lot of pity votes due to the war, maybe even enough to win.

tragomaskhalos 4y ago
Depending on my mood I find the blatant politicking/nepotism either infuriating or part of the kitsch charm of the whole thing. Greece for example could spend 3 minutes with one guy banging a spoon on a saucepan while another strangled a cat, and Cyprus would still give them 12 points. Edit: fun fact - this was apparently the first ESC ever without a single entry in French - the French entry was sung in Breton.
- andrepd 4y ago
  > Depending on my mood I find the blatant politicking/nepotism either infuriating or part of the kitsch charm of the whole thing. 100% the latter. Moaning about Cyprus is an integral part of the experience.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  Well yeah... but usually the scandinavian countries gave eachother high points, and balkan countries did the same, eastern bloc, etc, so they were on similar high ground (while countries like UK didn't get any, but noone cared), and the winner basically depended on the few other countries, and 3, 4, 5 an 6 points from the balkan/scandinavian/... countries. What happened yesterday was kinda predictable with all the "1 vote" = "1 thought and prayer" logic,but kinda ruined the voting and the end-results-suspense for me. I also didn't really like the song, also because it's not something I can see layed on non-ukranian radio stations, but yeah... politics.