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I don't buy the thing about programmer applicants being unable to program. Easiest thing to screen out in the world. Fizzbuzz and that's it. I think it's mos
by daniel-cussen 4y ago
I don't buy the thing about programmer applicants being unable to program. Easiest thing to screen out in the world. Fizzbuzz and that's it. I think it's mostly American companies pretending to be victims, particularly American companies that are run by people who can't program. Like tptacek saying it takes like two years to get someone out of a company who can't program, like he has to be managed into a weird office first, then like all this massaging and passive actions to like put a bubble around him, because you can't fire anybody ever.
In the government maybe, but in corporations you can get yourself fired in two seconds, not two years, two seconds. "Fuck you" "you're fired!!!" That's it. Two seconds. The whole thing is being on the knife's edge to being fired, they keep you there and move you with that knife's edge. That's the boss's point of contact with you, exactly like a mugger. They have no idea what happens if you're fired! No idea! No idea about the Turkish prison system, no idea about government assistance, no idea, they carefully protect themselves and tell people not to tell them.
Also keep in mind I was deliberately sabotaged in my curriculum, the whole standing up to torture thing I talk about if you read my comments, so if an interviewer asks where I worked in April 2009 I'm like, "There's no April 2009. Is that a reference to the Gregorian Calendar?"
So keep in mind, with my harsh words, I watched the shitshow from the cheapest seat.
- sokoloff 4y agoWhat force do you think prevents unqualified people from applying for high-paying jobs? I had a ten-year experienced candidate unable to write a function to sum an array of integers. Any language he wanted. Wasn’t that he didn’t consider overflow or something like that. Just couldn’t get started at all. I have no idea what he was doing for 10 years, but I gave him something easier than fizzbuzz and he blew it. If you’ve interviewed 100 applicants and never come across someone who couldn’t fizzbuzz, I think you’ve experienced well above the average.
- daniel-cussen 4y agoGet applicants with emails like @google.com, @facebook.com, @harvard.edu, that's an easy filter. Surely you, Jim Sokoloff I believe your name is, are not trying to find a perfect deal, at the bottom of the barrel, and pay an insulting wage, right? Can you do fizzbuzz yourself? Write that email filter yourself, there's a fizzbuzz for you right there.
- saagarjha 4y agoYou should really expand your hiring if your filter is solely someone else's.
- daniel-cussen 4y agoLike fizzbuzz?
- NullPrefix 4y agoMate, this sounds like a bit of a rant with some missing details. Do you want to make a blogpost or something?