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What do you mean “fully backed”? The last time I checked on USDT (which was a while ago) I thought they admitted it was a fractional reserve, primarily denomina

What do you mean “fully backed”? The last time I checked on USDT (which was a while ago) I thought they admitted it was a fractional reserve, primarily denominated in undisclosed commercial paper. Additionally, they had not yet received an unqualified audit report from any of the big four. Has something changed in the last year or so?

everfree 4y ago
As I said, Tether (USDT) is an arguable exception. You seem to be arguing that exception. I don't disagree with you.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  Tether is the largest stablecoin in existence. If you are intent on arguing that the biggest example of your mentioned category is an exception, how do you propose the average person goes about find out what's an exception and what's following the norm?
  - everfree 4y ago
    Picking any regulated, US-based stablecoin is a great start. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31381864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31381864 Tether is large because it got a head start on network effect before the proper regulatory frameworks were put into place, in the USA at least. There's a massive amount of momentum there even though their product is inferior.
- low_tech_love 4y ago
  I’m genuinely curious, can you point me to credible information showing that some other stablecoin is actually fully backed?
  - everfree 4y ago
    USDC backing, audited by a large US accounting firm: https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency GUSD backing, also audited by a large US accounting firm, subject to New York State Department of Financial Services regulations: https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/gusd-stablecoin-gemini-dollar https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/gusd-stablecoin-gemini-do... USDP backing, also audited by a large US accounting firm and subject to New York State Department of Financial Services regulations: https://paxos.com/usdp/ https://paxos.com/usdp/ DAI backing, viewable transparently on-chain. Currently backed 168% by collateral: https://daistats.com/#/overview https://daistats.com/#/overview LUSD backing, viewable transparently on-chain. Currently backed 189% by collateral: https://dune.com/dani/Liquity https://dune.com/dani/Liquity UST (Terra/Luna) and USDT (Tether) have/had nothing like this.
    - low_tech_love 4y ago
      Cool, thanks a lot! But why is it then that these currencies are not as attractive or hyped as Tether and UST? Could it be that the fact they are properly backed makes them less interesting for those who want a more adventurous kind of investment?
      - everfree 4y ago
        Tether is popular because it was the first stablecoin by several years (e.g. Tether launched in 2014, USDC launched in 2018). Much like Bitcoin, Tether isn't a particularly good product nowadays if you look at its fundamental properties - most of its usefulness comes from its extrinsic properties such as liquidity and demand. However, much like Bitcoin, due to its very early launch, Tether became an early schelling point that has gathered significant liquidity/usage due to network effect (liquidity begets liquidity). TerraUSD (UST) was hyped up and became popular mainly because the network paid 20% APY interest on UST deposits, which is a way higher rate on a "stablecoin" than you can get anywhere else (rates in much safer protocols are about 5-8% right now). Obviously a 20% interest rate is unsustainable when it's supported by money printed from thin air. But people were either unaware of this (unsophisticated investors), chose to overlook it (calculated risk-takers, RIP), or positioned themselves to be able to find a chair right before the music stopped (institutional investors like Celsius).

everfree 4y ago

As I said, Tether (USDT) is an arguable exception. You seem to be arguing that exception. I don't disagree with you.

polygamous_bat 4y ago
Tether is the largest stablecoin in existence. If you are intent on arguing that the biggest example of your mentioned category is an exception, how do you propose the average person goes about find out what's an exception and what's following the norm?
- everfree 4y ago
  Picking any regulated, US-based stablecoin is a great start. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31381864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31381864 Tether is large because it got a head start on network effect before the proper regulatory frameworks were put into place, in the USA at least. There's a massive amount of momentum there even though their product is inferior.
low_tech_love 4y ago
I’m genuinely curious, can you point me to credible information showing that some other stablecoin is actually fully backed?
- everfree 4y ago
  USDC backing, audited by a large US accounting firm: https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency https://www.centre.io/usdc-transparency GUSD backing, also audited by a large US accounting firm, subject to New York State Department of Financial Services regulations: https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/gusd-stablecoin-gemini-dollar https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/gusd-stablecoin-gemini-do... USDP backing, also audited by a large US accounting firm and subject to New York State Department of Financial Services regulations: https://paxos.com/usdp/ https://paxos.com/usdp/ DAI backing, viewable transparently on-chain. Currently backed 168% by collateral: https://daistats.com/#/overview https://daistats.com/#/overview LUSD backing, viewable transparently on-chain. Currently backed 189% by collateral: https://dune.com/dani/Liquity https://dune.com/dani/Liquity UST (Terra/Luna) and USDT (Tether) have/had nothing like this.
  - low_tech_love 4y ago
    Cool, thanks a lot! But why is it then that these currencies are not as attractive or hyped as Tether and UST? Could it be that the fact they are properly backed makes them less interesting for those who want a more adventurous kind of investment?
    - everfree 4y ago
      Tether is popular because it was the first stablecoin by several years (e.g. Tether launched in 2014, USDC launched in 2018). Much like Bitcoin, Tether isn't a particularly good product nowadays if you look at its fundamental properties - most of its usefulness comes from its extrinsic properties such as liquidity and demand. However, much like Bitcoin, due to its very early launch, Tether became an early schelling point that has gathered significant liquidity/usage due to network effect (liquidity begets liquidity). TerraUSD (UST) was hyped up and became popular mainly because the network paid 20% APY interest on UST deposits, which is a way higher rate on a "stablecoin" than you can get anywhere else (rates in much safer protocols are about 5-8% right now). Obviously a 20% interest rate is unsustainable when it's supported by money printed from thin air. But people were either unaware of this (unsophisticated investors), chose to overlook it (calculated risk-takers, RIP), or positioned themselves to be able to find a chair right before the music stopped (institutional investors like Celsius).