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I should have phrased it differently but I was just speculating. I think it's _possible_ the war is "partly motivated" by getting Russia more under the control

I should have phrased it differently but I was just speculating. I think it's _possible_ the war is "partly motivated" by getting Russia more under the control of western regulations which includes copyright laws. I don't think it's a wild conspiracy theory because Russia has been labeled a rogue state for some time and the US has an interest in regime change. It's not official policy but enough people have warned the US that regime change is a bad idea, including the NYT, that I don't think it's easily dismissed. I think it's quite possible there are western corporate and regulatory interests in having a Russian regime that cooperates with their interests more. But I can see how this is an extremely cynical take and I didn't mean to suggest that was the only reason for a war.

koube 4y ago
The US is supporting its ally in a war because it's being invaded by an adversary. IP laws do not fit anywhere in this. You might as well say the US started a proxy war to help hedgies stop the GME moon.
- parineum 4y ago
  If Ukraine was our ally we'd have boots on the ground. This war is in no small part about keeping them from actually becoming our ally.
  - unmole 4y ago
    Ally and NATO member are not synonyms. The US didn't put boots on the ground to help the UK in the Falklands even when it would have made things much easier. That doesn't mean the US and the UK were not allies or that the US did not help in other ways.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Ally and NATO member are not synonyms. True, but... > The US didn't put boots on the ground to help the UK in the Falklands The UK is, and was, a NATO member. (Indeed, a major factor that led Argentina to think that they could take the Falklands was the reorganization of the UK Navy around its role in NATO which compromised it's capacity for independent operations.)
    - parineum 4y ago
      > Ally and NATO member are not synonyms. Nobody said they were however NATO member does mean ally and we're pretty lukewarm on that prospect. There could certainly be another alliance made outside of NATO that would make them an ally, there could be, but there isn't. We have friendly relations with Ukraine and support a faction of their government but we're pretty cagey with our military support.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Ukraine was our ally we'd have boots on the ground US allies frequently are involved in wars that don't get US boots on the ground. This is pretty much constant for Israel, for instance.
    - account42 4y ago
      Not many full out invasions of Israel recently though.
- onetimeusename 4y ago
  No, waging a proxy war and vying for regime change for a geopolitical rival are not the same as supporting an ally. IP laws fit into a key part of US hegemony via Russian digital providers being accountable to US law enforcement.

koube 4y ago

The US is supporting its ally in a war because it's being invaded by an adversary. IP laws do not fit anywhere in this. You might as well say the US started a proxy war to help hedgies stop the GME moon.

parineum 4y ago
If Ukraine was our ally we'd have boots on the ground. This war is in no small part about keeping them from actually becoming our ally.
- unmole 4y ago
  Ally and NATO member are not synonyms. The US didn't put boots on the ground to help the UK in the Falklands even when it would have made things much easier. That doesn't mean the US and the UK were not allies or that the US did not help in other ways.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Ally and NATO member are not synonyms. True, but... > The US didn't put boots on the ground to help the UK in the Falklands The UK is, and was, a NATO member. (Indeed, a major factor that led Argentina to think that they could take the Falklands was the reorganization of the UK Navy around its role in NATO which compromised it's capacity for independent operations.)
  - parineum 4y ago
    > Ally and NATO member are not synonyms. Nobody said they were however NATO member does mean ally and we're pretty lukewarm on that prospect. There could certainly be another alliance made outside of NATO that would make them an ally, there could be, but there isn't. We have friendly relations with Ukraine and support a faction of their government but we're pretty cagey with our military support.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Ukraine was our ally we'd have boots on the ground US allies frequently are involved in wars that don't get US boots on the ground. This is pretty much constant for Israel, for instance.
  - account42 4y ago
    Not many full out invasions of Israel recently though.
onetimeusename 4y ago
No, waging a proxy war and vying for regime change for a geopolitical rival are not the same as supporting an ally. IP laws fit into a key part of US hegemony via Russian digital providers being accountable to US law enforcement.