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“This was a well-planned and managed layoff that WhiteHat Jr did,” a former employee remarked. Indeed. Vicious, but well played.

unethical_ban 4y ago
Yep. One month to relocate cities? This isn't merely "drive 15 minutes to the office".
- nanidin 4y ago
  Yep, time to reconsider the resignations as constructive dismissal via the legal system.
- hedora 4y ago
  Note that, if they lay you off, you're entitled to unemployment, etc. It's probably better to refuse to resign and also refuse to move. That way, you get whatever severance benefits you are due. If you are at the company, or just resigned because of this unreasonable policy change, I highly suggest you use your local bar association's referral service (or some other means) to schedule an inexpensive consult with a labor attorney.
  - epgui 4y ago
    In Canada I think this could be a “constructive dismissal”. I believe this may be a general common-law thing, but IANAL.
  - throwawayboise 4y ago
    Would refusing to move be cause for termination? That's not a layoff, perhaps, at least in the eyes of the unemployment regulations?
    - humanistbot 4y ago
      Yes
  - heroic 4y ago
    This would be then termination with cause. Employment agreements generally state that employees can be required to work from any location as required by the employer. Refusal is then called breach of contract and hence termination without cause.
    - hansvm 4y ago
      There are limits. If you sign up for a desk job in LA with no mention of travel and then get shuffled every day to Chicago, NYC, ... then it's unlikely the courts would agree that it was a termination with cause if the employee refused to cooperate. Here the courts might find that a month is insufficient notice, they might find that since the job started in the office there was always a reasonable expectation that the employees would have to return to the office, there might be jurisdictional questions, and who knows what else. Without a lot more details I'd hesitate to speculate as to the legal outcome in this case.
    - bawolff 4y ago
      As with all things, depends on where you live. IANAL - but for example, in canada, forcing employees to move,or even significantly increase their commute, is considered the same as unilaterally changing the employees pay, and cant be done without the employees consent.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      According to the article they only have offices in India. I don't think welfare is that great there anyway. Nor worker protection laws.
    - matsemann 4y ago
      All my contracts have stated where the workplace is. Not the specific address, but on a city / region level. Then one part can't just change that.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      > from any location as required by the employer. No, we dont want to fire you, but since you decline to work from any of the proposed location in Somalia, North Korea, and the North Pole...
  - azinman2 4y ago
    Is that true in India?
  - irrational 4y ago
    This is in India. Do they have the same unemployment laws in India?
    - unmole 4y ago
      Employment of factory workers is regulated. Many states have explicit carve outs for IT and biotech industries.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    [Assuming US laws] In most states you can terminate employment due to "Changing of Terms and Conditions" and still get Unemployment. Of Course check your local state laws, but their is a prevailing myth that if you voluntarily quit you always forfeit unemployment, that is not true, it is harder for sure, however in a situation like this chances are you would win unemployment hearing
  - deleted 4y ago
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Afforess 4y ago
It's an old tactic, IBM used to do it all the time: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/ibm-tells-its-remote-employees-get-back-office-n763441 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/ibm-tells-its...

unethical_ban 4y ago

Yep. One month to relocate cities? This isn't merely "drive 15 minutes to the office".

nanidin 4y ago
Yep, time to reconsider the resignations as constructive dismissal via the legal system.
hedora 4y ago
Note that, if they lay you off, you're entitled to unemployment, etc. It's probably better to refuse to resign and also refuse to move. That way, you get whatever severance benefits you are due. If you are at the company, or just resigned because of this unreasonable policy change, I highly suggest you use your local bar association's referral service (or some other means) to schedule an inexpensive consult with a labor attorney.
- epgui 4y ago
  In Canada I think this could be a “constructive dismissal”. I believe this may be a general common-law thing, but IANAL.
- throwawayboise 4y ago
  Would refusing to move be cause for termination? That's not a layoff, perhaps, at least in the eyes of the unemployment regulations?
  - humanistbot 4y ago
    Yes
- heroic 4y ago
  This would be then termination with cause. Employment agreements generally state that employees can be required to work from any location as required by the employer. Refusal is then called breach of contract and hence termination without cause.
  - hansvm 4y ago
    There are limits. If you sign up for a desk job in LA with no mention of travel and then get shuffled every day to Chicago, NYC, ... then it's unlikely the courts would agree that it was a termination with cause if the employee refused to cooperate. Here the courts might find that a month is insufficient notice, they might find that since the job started in the office there was always a reasonable expectation that the employees would have to return to the office, there might be jurisdictional questions, and who knows what else. Without a lot more details I'd hesitate to speculate as to the legal outcome in this case.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    As with all things, depends on where you live. IANAL - but for example, in canada, forcing employees to move,or even significantly increase their commute, is considered the same as unilaterally changing the employees pay, and cant be done without the employees consent.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    According to the article they only have offices in India. I don't think welfare is that great there anyway. Nor worker protection laws.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    All my contracts have stated where the workplace is. Not the specific address, but on a city / region level. Then one part can't just change that.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > from any location as required by the employer. No, we dont want to fire you, but since you decline to work from any of the proposed location in Somalia, North Korea, and the North Pole...
- azinman2 4y ago
  Is that true in India?
- irrational 4y ago
  This is in India. Do they have the same unemployment laws in India?
  - unmole 4y ago
    Employment of factory workers is regulated. Many states have explicit carve outs for IT and biotech industries.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  [Assuming US laws] In most states you can terminate employment due to "Changing of Terms and Conditions" and still get Unemployment. Of Course check your local state laws, but their is a prevailing myth that if you voluntarily quit you always forfeit unemployment, that is not true, it is harder for sure, however in a situation like this chances are you would win unemployment hearing
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

Afforess 4y ago

It's an old tactic, IBM used to do it all the time: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/ibm-tells-its-remote-employees-get-back-office-n763441 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/ibm-tells-its...