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Given that you've clearly decided that trans activists have "delusions" I'm not sure there's much hope, however... - What changes to your language are they dem
by thomasfedb 4y ago
Given that you've clearly decided that trans activists have "delusions" I'm not sure there's much hope, however...
- What changes to your language are they demanding? If you mean they ask you to refer to them in a particular way, then this is not an uncommon thing. People often ask to be referred to in a particular way. For example, most people don't like being called "fruitloop".
- If what you mean by "anti-scientific ideas" is that that people exists who either a) are not conventionally male or female, or b) feel very strongly that their gender is not the one assigned to them at birth, then I would argue that these ideas are not anti-scientific at all. There is a huge amount of nuance in the science of human development that is left out in the "conventional" wisdom.
I'm a non-binary person, a scientist, and a medical doctor. So I am obviously invested here on several fronts.
- jchw 4y agoHopefully it was accidental and not a sleight of hand, but I hope you realize you pivoted a statement about the trans activists being pushed back against (that they are “deluded”) to being about trans people as a whole. I feel like this kind of pivot happens so often in bad faith that people now do it subconsciously and not even necessarily in bad faith but simply out of habit. Similarly, (but not necessarily in the exact same vein,) there is an overarching sentiment that all trans people agree with the broader LGBT community, but it’s definitely not true.
- thomasfedb 4y agoFixed! Yep, that was a slightly uncharitable reading of the parent post I accept.
- jchw 4y agoIt seems like your uncharitable reading was the one that actually intended, which is unfortunate. I guess that’s the perils of assuming good faith. I do think it is good to be precise here, though. The human brain really seems to like viewing groups of people as hiveminds.
- thomasfedb 4y agoTotally agree. The charitable interpretation is the right one to make if you actually care about arguing the ideas. I'm sure my philosophy professor would be very upset with me.
- zionic 4y ago
- jchw 4y agoDid you mean to reply to me? I have not really made a statement about the actual topic because it is personally irrelevant to me. I just want people to argue in good faith, even if at this point a reasoned discussion seems impossible. (And just to be explicit, by that I mean, we’re probably not going to see eye to eye, so I’m probably not going to engage with your rhetoric. Sorry.)
- zionic 4y ago
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- dahart 4y agoYou are aware of the existence of physically intersex, hermaphroditic, and androgynous humans? Are you aware that trans identifying people frequently exhibit physiological characteristics, such as extremely low sperm count in born-male people? Are you aware of the existence of cultures that officially recognize multiple genders, like in Samoa, Mexico, India, & Chile? Your own example of race is telling, since race is not binary. What race should someone call themselves, if they have a father from Finland, a mother from Zimbabwe, and are born in Germany are a German citizen and only speak German? What are you scared of? Why are you offended enough by what gender someone else feels to call it delusions and lies? Is it a lie to call someone Nathan when they ask you to?