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Russia is currently at a perfect position to fight back against this. I'm no fan of Kremlin, dictatorship, or wars, but if an ordinary country wants to rebel ag

Russia is currently at a perfect position to fight back against this. I'm no fan of Kremlin, dictatorship, or wars, but if an ordinary country wants to rebel against the international "copyright" cartel, they would face sanctions. Russia is already under enough sanctions that no more can be realistically added, and it also has an existing pirate culture and a developed network infrastructure. I would be happy to see if they start sponsoring pirate groups to undermine the right holders from "unfriendly countries" as a form of economic warfare. It's already legalized for certain classes of software[1], but I think it has not yet formally extended into other types of content. 1. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5240942 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5240942

TheAceOfHearts 4y ago
Well, there's already rutracker for one thing.
- d0mine 4y ago
  rutracker doesn't accept connections from Russia
  - kofejnik 4y ago
    No, rutracker is blocked in RU
    - d0mine 4y ago
      https://eais.rkn.gov.ru/en/#form https://eais.rkn.gov.ru/en/#form says that rutracker.org is not blacklisted.
      - orbital-decay 4y ago
        It's blocked and inaccessible without circumvention. The list you linked to is provided by the regulatory body; it's incomplete and can't be searched by keyword to list specific page blocks. (blocking a single page means blocking the entire HTTPS website, obviously) This one [1] is from Roskomsvoboda (a domestic EFF-like organization) and is much more complete. The rutracker.org itself is listed on last pages as unblocked, but that's purely technical and is done to update the IP address. Generally, there's no way to tell if a site is blocked except to test it from inside the country, that's true for every national firewall. Moreover, Rutracker itself never blocked Russian IPs to signal anything, that was a fake started by Forbes (yes, really) and reposted by everyone else. Rutracker fought a DDoS attack for a couple days and was always open otherwise, and still is. You can open it from inside Russia without any VPN if you use a DPI circumvention tool or find a rare ISP that doesn't enforce the national blacklist. The same can be said about the supposed legalization of piracy in Russia, which didn't happen and never even been taken seriously, it was just media overreacting to everything. I guess plenty of people were mislead by this and still believe it. I also strongly disagree with @grishka above - copyright was extremely strictly enforced, our copyright agencies put MAFIAA to shame, sadly. It might change now, of course, but still didn't. The copyright was enforced for organizations, though - we never had warning letters for torrenting like in some countries, for example. [1] https://reestr.rublacklist.net/search/?q=rutracker.org https://reestr.rublacklist.net/search/?q=rutracker.org
soisthris 4y ago
So is the US; local bankers no longer own the banks. Good luck collecting mortgages and rent door to door. Go ahead digitally drain accounts, they’d just be putting the economic producers out on the street. See how that works out. Only 800,000 sworn LEO. 10k NYC cops threatened to strike over vaccine mandates and only 34 did. There’s no loyalty to politicians. It’s a stand off elites cannot win. There can be houses, food, discovery, technology and art without the deference to a caricature with a title. Bridges and technology need uniform language and measure for stability and correctness. The species does not need to carry forward ephemeral memes and suspect story that coddles a minority.
vbezhenar 4y ago
Russia does not allow pirate software. Your link is about discussion about legitimizing pirate software which didn't happen. I don't know why people think that Russia is some kind of pirate heaven, that's not true.
- yurish 4y ago
  Don't know why you are downvoted. People can use pirated software at home perhaps and authorities here do not break into you flat to check if you use pirated Photoshop copy but organizations use officially bought licenses, I do not remember when was last time I saw something pirated in companies. Also can confirm, the initiative to allow pirated software was rejected for now. Things are different for movies and book though.
onetimeusename 4y ago
A part of me suspects that the proxy war the US is waging against Russia to decimate the Russian military and force a regime change is motivated by getting Russia under the control of western IP, financial, and other regulation.
- bawolff 4y ago
  Why would you assume secret copyright interests, when the open geopolitical interests are so blatent? It'd be like if someone made a million dollars, and you accused them that its all a front to launder ten dollars. It doesn't make sense.
  - onetimeusename 4y ago
    My answer is complex. >Why would you assume secret copyright interests I did not. I said "western IP, financial, and other regulation.". That includes a lot but in all amounts to essentially geopolitical control. However, this being a thread about copyright and this being a technology website I mentioned copyright and I think copyright laws and regulations are vastly more important than you are implying. The article mentions trade agreements that can force ISPs to block web pages. As it stands right now, the internet is decentralized but single government control of the internet is increasingly becoming apparent. Western nations share copyright laws which ultimately centralizes the internet across many different people and countries. So, for example, ISP web site blocking can be performed across many different ISPs globally with similar regulation and controls in all these different jurisdictions. (edit: especially at the behest of US based corporations) I think this is ultimately harmful for internet users especially because it can be associated with censorship. Previously, the decentralized nature of the internet made it harder for any single entity to control it, however, it is looking increasingly feasible to do so. So I agree with the parent commenter and add that it is actually beneficial for the internet if Russia enables pirating and is not under US/western internet regulations. Having alternatives is good for the internet and I think that's a very important point.
    - bawolff 4y ago
andsoitis 4y ago
Would you also be in favor of trademark infringement? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mc-donalds-starbucks-and-others-have-no-recourse-for-stolen-ip-in-russia-174530523.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mc-donalds-starbucks-and-othe...
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  Not really, but I am also not too bothered about those corporations anyways.
grishka 4y ago
As a Russian, I can assure you that copyright was never really enforced in Russia in the first place, despite it being a member of WTO for some time. People around me who do pay for software and especially movies/tv shows/music instead of torrenting do it as a goodwill gesture more than anything else.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  It's sort of surprising that loud announcements about no longer enforcing western copyrights haven't been made. Such things would seem like an easy political win, and also walking back said statements are also then a valuable bartering chip for the future.
  - alwayslikethis 4y ago
    Same, it sounds like a smart statement to make to garner some popular support. Though, judging by the current situation on the fronts, they probably have bigger things to worry about.
  - pydry 4y ago
    They did do that.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  i think this still happens in australia en masse. began because there used to be (still is?) a very strict censorship lobby and all media was (is?) owned by one guy
  - antifa 4y ago
    Also because they'll release things 6 months or a year later after releasing it in most other English speaking countries. Then you get on the internet and it's either spoilers for months before you get legal access or discussions are already dead when you do get legal access.
- rmbyrro 4y ago
mlindner 4y ago
Even if the country theoretically was in a good place to defend against it (I don't believe they are), it would be political suicide for anyone in the western world to listen to someone that's closer to Hitler than any dictator in the world since World War 2. It doesn't matter what they say, the well has been thoroughly poisoned so any words that come out of it are automatically wrong.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Well nobody is closer to Hitler than Adolph Hitler, and what did he say? I remember a Finnish audio engineer recorded him speaking in his normal conversational voice, of which there was no other recording. He told his elite he fucked up. Russia was turning the war around, and specifically it was because of Donets, where there was a tank factory that made a disgusting amount of tanks, because its people were "living like animals." So they could make more tanks! So Communism worked at that place, at that time, when people worked with abandon, incentives be damned. And in fact English and Americans didn't want Russians to have a decisive victory, they wanted them to barely win so there wouldn't be a Cold War, not roll over Berlin before they did. Donets has never stopped fighting Nazism. EDIT: My Youtube isn't cooperating, it showed me a video about that recording where they cut and let a historian talk right in the moment I'm talking about, when a subordinate said "In Donets!" and Adolph Hitler replies, "Aye, in Donets". That's where they cut it. That tells you everything.
  - oblak 4y ago
    I had forgotten about that recording. Thank you. Definite worth listening to.
  - ChoGGi 4y ago
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk
    - daniel-cussen 4y ago
      That's the one. Donets. Donets fucked Hitler over, the only complaint he ever made, didn't even cry when his father beat him after making up his mind against it, Donets was his undoing. Like the Misanthropy Division, like what? Division? Oh yeah, if the word is Division it's real. Yeah those guys are real Nazis, just America doesn't care in the abstract, only in the specific when it is good for them. Gave them a pass and let them leave Germany the minute Soviets tanked Berlin. Just like not caring about tons of other things that you would think if you listened to their--to our, I'm American--Hollywood and proclamations, League of Nations. Korea bought into that over and over. I'm surprised anybody listens, History isn't that favorable if you remove WWII as the outlier it is. And now it turns out they never actually cared about Nazism, they're going to "rebrand" it now as National Socialism, poor history channel the ratings! But realistically Donets, that just hurts, those were the people of Donets that lived like animals cranking out tanks around the clock. They didn't go anywhere, they didn't get exterminated, barely, they stopped the Nazis from getting there...but not forever. Recurring nightmare.

TheAceOfHearts 4y ago

Well, there's already rutracker for one thing.

d0mine 4y ago
rutracker doesn't accept connections from Russia
- kofejnik 4y ago
  No, rutracker is blocked in RU
  - d0mine 4y ago
    https://eais.rkn.gov.ru/en/#form https://eais.rkn.gov.ru/en/#form says that rutracker.org is not blacklisted.
    - orbital-decay 4y ago
      It's blocked and inaccessible without circumvention. The list you linked to is provided by the regulatory body; it's incomplete and can't be searched by keyword to list specific page blocks. (blocking a single page means blocking the entire HTTPS website, obviously) This one [1] is from Roskomsvoboda (a domestic EFF-like organization) and is much more complete. The rutracker.org itself is listed on last pages as unblocked, but that's purely technical and is done to update the IP address. Generally, there's no way to tell if a site is blocked except to test it from inside the country, that's true for every national firewall. Moreover, Rutracker itself never blocked Russian IPs to signal anything, that was a fake started by Forbes (yes, really) and reposted by everyone else. Rutracker fought a DDoS attack for a couple days and was always open otherwise, and still is. You can open it from inside Russia without any VPN if you use a DPI circumvention tool or find a rare ISP that doesn't enforce the national blacklist. The same can be said about the supposed legalization of piracy in Russia, which didn't happen and never even been taken seriously, it was just media overreacting to everything. I guess plenty of people were mislead by this and still believe it. I also strongly disagree with @grishka above - copyright was extremely strictly enforced, our copyright agencies put MAFIAA to shame, sadly. It might change now, of course, but still didn't. The copyright was enforced for organizations, though - we never had warning letters for torrenting like in some countries, for example. [1] https://reestr.rublacklist.net/search/?q=rutracker.org https://reestr.rublacklist.net/search/?q=rutracker.org

soisthris 4y ago

So is the US; local bankers no longer own the banks. Good luck collecting mortgages and rent door to door. Go ahead digitally drain accounts, they’d just be putting the economic producers out on the street. See how that works out. Only 800,000 sworn LEO. 10k NYC cops threatened to strike over vaccine mandates and only 34 did. There’s no loyalty to politicians. It’s a stand off elites cannot win. There can be houses, food, discovery, technology and art without the deference to a caricature with a title. Bridges and technology need uniform language and measure for stability and correctness. The species does not need to carry forward ephemeral memes and suspect story that coddles a minority.

vbezhenar 4y ago

Russia does not allow pirate software. Your link is about discussion about legitimizing pirate software which didn't happen. I don't know why people think that Russia is some kind of pirate heaven, that's not true.

yurish 4y ago
Don't know why you are downvoted. People can use pirated software at home perhaps and authorities here do not break into you flat to check if you use pirated Photoshop copy but organizations use officially bought licenses, I do not remember when was last time I saw something pirated in companies. Also can confirm, the initiative to allow pirated software was rejected for now. Things are different for movies and book though.

onetimeusename 4y ago

A part of me suspects that the proxy war the US is waging against Russia to decimate the Russian military and force a regime change is motivated by getting Russia under the control of western IP, financial, and other regulation.

bawolff 4y ago
Why would you assume secret copyright interests, when the open geopolitical interests are so blatent? It'd be like if someone made a million dollars, and you accused them that its all a front to launder ten dollars. It doesn't make sense.
- onetimeusename 4y ago
  My answer is complex. >Why would you assume secret copyright interests I did not. I said "western IP, financial, and other regulation.". That includes a lot but in all amounts to essentially geopolitical control. However, this being a thread about copyright and this being a technology website I mentioned copyright and I think copyright laws and regulations are vastly more important than you are implying. The article mentions trade agreements that can force ISPs to block web pages. As it stands right now, the internet is decentralized but single government control of the internet is increasingly becoming apparent. Western nations share copyright laws which ultimately centralizes the internet across many different people and countries. So, for example, ISP web site blocking can be performed across many different ISPs globally with similar regulation and controls in all these different jurisdictions. (edit: especially at the behest of US based corporations) I think this is ultimately harmful for internet users especially because it can be associated with censorship. Previously, the decentralized nature of the internet made it harder for any single entity to control it, however, it is looking increasingly feasible to do so. So I agree with the parent commenter and add that it is actually beneficial for the internet if Russia enables pirating and is not under US/western internet regulations. Having alternatives is good for the internet and I think that's a very important point.
  - bawolff 4y ago

andsoitis 4y ago

Would you also be in favor of trademark infringement? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mc-donalds-starbucks-and-others-have-no-recourse-for-stolen-ip-in-russia-174530523.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mc-donalds-starbucks-and-othe...

alwayslikethis 4y ago
Not really, but I am also not too bothered about those corporations anyways.

grishka 4y ago

As a Russian, I can assure you that copyright was never really enforced in Russia in the first place, despite it being a member of WTO for some time. People around me who do pay for software and especially movies/tv shows/music instead of torrenting do it as a goodwill gesture more than anything else.

londons_explore 4y ago
It's sort of surprising that loud announcements about no longer enforcing western copyrights haven't been made. Such things would seem like an easy political win, and also walking back said statements are also then a valuable bartering chip for the future.
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  Same, it sounds like a smart statement to make to garner some popular support. Though, judging by the current situation on the fronts, they probably have bigger things to worry about.
- pydry 4y ago
  They did do that.
medo-bear 4y ago
i think this still happens in australia en masse. began because there used to be (still is?) a very strict censorship lobby and all media was (is?) owned by one guy
- antifa 4y ago
  Also because they'll release things 6 months or a year later after releasing it in most other English speaking countries. Then you get on the internet and it's either spoilers for months before you get legal access or discussions are already dead when you do get legal access.
rmbyrro 4y ago

mlindner 4y ago

Even if the country theoretically was in a good place to defend against it (I don't believe they are), it would be political suicide for anyone in the western world to listen to someone that's closer to Hitler than any dictator in the world since World War 2. It doesn't matter what they say, the well has been thoroughly poisoned so any words that come out of it are automatically wrong.

daniel-cussen 4y ago
Well nobody is closer to Hitler than Adolph Hitler, and what did he say? I remember a Finnish audio engineer recorded him speaking in his normal conversational voice, of which there was no other recording. He told his elite he fucked up. Russia was turning the war around, and specifically it was because of Donets, where there was a tank factory that made a disgusting amount of tanks, because its people were "living like animals." So they could make more tanks! So Communism worked at that place, at that time, when people worked with abandon, incentives be damned. And in fact English and Americans didn't want Russians to have a decisive victory, they wanted them to barely win so there wouldn't be a Cold War, not roll over Berlin before they did. Donets has never stopped fighting Nazism. EDIT: My Youtube isn't cooperating, it showed me a video about that recording where they cut and let a historian talk right in the moment I'm talking about, when a subordinate said "In Donets!" and Adolph Hitler replies, "Aye, in Donets". That's where they cut it. That tells you everything.
- oblak 4y ago
  I had forgotten about that recording. Thank you. Definite worth listening to.
- ChoGGi 4y ago
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk
  - daniel-cussen 4y ago
    That's the one. Donets. Donets fucked Hitler over, the only complaint he ever made, didn't even cry when his father beat him after making up his mind against it, Donets was his undoing. Like the Misanthropy Division, like what? Division? Oh yeah, if the word is Division it's real. Yeah those guys are real Nazis, just America doesn't care in the abstract, only in the specific when it is good for them. Gave them a pass and let them leave Germany the minute Soviets tanked Berlin. Just like not caring about tons of other things that you would think if you listened to their--to our, I'm American--Hollywood and proclamations, League of Nations. Korea bought into that over and over. I'm surprised anybody listens, History isn't that favorable if you remove WWII as the outlier it is. And now it turns out they never actually cared about Nazism, they're going to "rebrand" it now as National Socialism, poor history channel the ratings! But realistically Donets, that just hurts, those were the people of Donets that lived like animals cranking out tanks around the clock. They didn't go anywhere, they didn't get exterminated, barely, they stopped the Nazis from getting there...but not forever. Recurring nightmare.