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There are other ways to deal with these kinds of issues: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/22/china-baby-milk-scandal-death-sentence#:~:text=A%20Chines

There are other ways to deal with these kinds of issues: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/22/china-baby-milk-scandal-death-sentence#:~:text=A%20Chinese%20court%20has%20condemned,and%20made%20almost%20300%2C000%20sick https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/22/china-baby-mil....

jvanderbot 4y ago
why not both?
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Seems like very different circumstances in the Chinese case. In that case, the condemned knowingly mixed a poison with milk intended for baby formula - IMO this crosses the line from negligence to murder. But I agree, even if you don't go all the way to the point of executing offenders, making more execs personally liable when there are gross cases of neglect would be an improvement.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
Meanwhile, in the US, the FDA publishes a notice that is written by the company: https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts/abbott-voluntarily-recalls-powder-formulas-manufactured-one-plant https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety... Read through and carefully notice things like: > Cronobacter sakazakii is commonly found in the environment and a variety of areas in the home. > It's important to follow the instructions for proper preparation, handling and storage of powder formulas. ...and paragraphs of text explaining how they test for this stuff and found no evidence of contamination. It's also pretty infuriating that companies get to claim their recalls are "voluntary" when they're anything but. The agency comes to them, says "recall or we will" and the company gets to save face and call it voluntary and act like they're heroes. By the time the FDA is involved, it's because the company didn't act voluntarily when it had evidence of product contamination.
rkk3 4y ago
Until Covid hit I had a friend who would go stores in the USA, Buy baby formula at retail price and re-sell it on WeChat to wealthier people in China who she'd mail it to. She actually made a decent margin, because they really don't trust the manufactures there.
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  I'm surprised it was worth shipping. I do understand, though--I have relatives over there and the majority of our baggage is always various things they have requested, mostly because they don't trust the local products.
  - rkk3 4y ago
    > I'm surprised it was worth shipping I was as well. I don't know what the "Chinese Fedex" rate's were but maybe it's because most of the volume they move is from China -> US and the return trips are empty.
    - p_l 4y ago
      Post office in the village my parents live is also post office for major Chinese immigrant community. This resulted in small post office pushing two or more 2TEU containers every day filled majorly with powdered milk, sent as normal international post package to China.

jvanderbot 4y ago

why not both?

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

Seems like very different circumstances in the Chinese case. In that case, the condemned knowingly mixed a poison with milk intended for baby formula - IMO this crosses the line from negligence to murder. But I agree, even if you don't go all the way to the point of executing offenders, making more execs personally liable when there are gross cases of neglect would be an improvement.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

Meanwhile, in the US, the FDA publishes a notice that is written by the company: https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts/abbott-voluntarily-recalls-powder-formulas-manufactured-one-plant https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety... Read through and carefully notice things like: > Cronobacter sakazakii is commonly found in the environment and a variety of areas in the home. > It's important to follow the instructions for proper preparation, handling and storage of powder formulas. ...and paragraphs of text explaining how they test for this stuff and found no evidence of contamination. It's also pretty infuriating that companies get to claim their recalls are "voluntary" when they're anything but. The agency comes to them, says "recall or we will" and the company gets to save face and call it voluntary and act like they're heroes. By the time the FDA is involved, it's because the company didn't act voluntarily when it had evidence of product contamination.

rkk3 4y ago

Until Covid hit I had a friend who would go stores in the USA, Buy baby formula at retail price and re-sell it on WeChat to wealthier people in China who she'd mail it to. She actually made a decent margin, because they really don't trust the manufactures there.

LorenPechtel 4y ago
I'm surprised it was worth shipping. I do understand, though--I have relatives over there and the majority of our baggage is always various things they have requested, mostly because they don't trust the local products.
- rkk3 4y ago
  > I'm surprised it was worth shipping I was as well. I don't know what the "Chinese Fedex" rate's were but maybe it's because most of the volume they move is from China -> US and the return trips are empty.
  - p_l 4y ago
    Post office in the village my parents live is also post office for major Chinese immigrant community. This resulted in small post office pushing two or more 2TEU containers every day filled majorly with powdered milk, sent as normal international post package to China.