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For AWS, nothing involved there is automatic; you have to stop it* and then restart it. It will just stay broken until you restart it yourself. "Brief outage" s

For AWS, nothing involved there is automatic; you have to stop it* and then restart it. It will just stay broken until you restart it yourself. "Brief outage" suggests it might be automatic but in AWS it's not. * Possibly multiple times. Instances on degraded hosts have a tendency to get stuck and you have to stop, and then stop again to force stop it, and then sometimes even that doesn't work and you have to just wait. Source: have received lots of "EC2 Instance Retirement" emails

mnd999 4y ago
This is what autoscaling groups are for, right? If set the autoscaler to keep one instance running it will spin another one when they retire the one you’re using.
- dijit 4y ago
  “Weeks of reading AWS documentation will save you hours of learning about infrastructure” the topic is here is ease of use. Comparing Heroku to VMs and correctly configured ASGs is fine for me as a sysadmin, but they’re not targeting the same simplicity.
- electroly 4y ago
  Yep, and if you know enough to set that up, you probably don't need Dokku.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    An ASG isn’t nearly as difficult as setting up, securing, and running dokku. There’s even examples and such for setting up the ASG. If you get stuck, all accounts have free support and stack overflow is a few clicks away. The idea that one needs to switch to dokku to avoid setting up ASGs is just silly.
    - electroly 4y ago
      My suggestion was the opposite: don't use Dokku, because you probably don't need it if you're capable of dinking around with AWS.
znep 4y ago
Not any more. https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2022/03/amazon-ec2-default-automatic-recovery/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2022/03/amazon-ec... In theory. But yes, sometimes detaching resources can take a long time on a degraded host.

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For AWS, nothing involved there is automatic; you have to stop it* and then restart it. It will just stay broken until you restart it yourself. "Brief outage" s

by electroly 4y ago

mnd999 4y ago
This is what autoscaling groups are for, right? If set the autoscaler to keep one instance running it will spin another one when they retire the one you’re using.
- dijit 4y ago
  “Weeks of reading AWS documentation will save you hours of learning about infrastructure” the topic is here is ease of use. Comparing Heroku to VMs and correctly configured ASGs is fine for me as a sysadmin, but they’re not targeting the same simplicity.
- electroly 4y ago
  Yep, and if you know enough to set that up, you probably don't need Dokku.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    An ASG isn’t nearly as difficult as setting up, securing, and running dokku. There’s even examples and such for setting up the ASG. If you get stuck, all accounts have free support and stack overflow is a few clicks away. The idea that one needs to switch to dokku to avoid setting up ASGs is just silly.
    - electroly 4y ago
      My suggestion was the opposite: don't use Dokku, because you probably don't need it if you're capable of dinking around with AWS.
znep 4y ago
Not any more. https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2022/03/amazon-ec2-default-automatic-recovery/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2022/03/amazon-ec... In theory. But yes, sometimes detaching resources can take a long time on a degraded host.