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The entire question is regarding “abiogenesis” — you can’t appeal to abiogenesis to explain abiogenesis. I know it is difficult for a lot of people to countenan

The entire question is regarding “abiogenesis” — you can’t appeal to abiogenesis to explain abiogenesis. I know it is difficult for a lot of people to countenance the fact that science has proven the existence of God, but that is where we are.

ncmncm 4y ago
Except, only you are there. Exactly where you started, sterile and empty-handed. "God did it" is equally applicable as the answer to every possible question, and is equally useless in every case. Every jot and tittle of progress ever made came from rejecting that answer.
- jononomo 4y ago
  I am arguing that the orgin-of-life is special case -- it is not like trying to explain where thunder comes from -- and I am completely happy to bite the bullet on the god-of-the-gaps question when it comes to the origin of life. We're 70 years past the Miller-Urey experiment and the gap has only grown wider. If I write a book on this subject it will be called "The God of the Gap".
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    And when abiogenesis is finally worked out, your god vanishes in a puff of unreality? If I were going to pick a god to believe in, I would demand sterner stuff than that. But I here predict that when abiogenesis is solved, you will pivot immediately to a now-diminished god inventing amino acids with innate capacity for evolving life. From there, to carbon; and then hydrogen, and its propensity to make stars that eventually go supernova (for the first few rows of the periodic table) and collapse to neutron stars (that collide to make the rest). It will be a god of Hydrogen. Or maybe of Quarks, Leptons, and Photons, though that seems a little messy. Maybe the devil gets to do Dark Matter?
    - jononomo 4y ago
      Absolutely not -- if abiogenesis is solved then I'll be happy to capitulate. My entire argument is based on the fact that abiogenesis cannot be solved within a materialistic/naturalistic framework. If you do it, then you win.

ncmncm 4y ago

Except, only you are there. Exactly where you started, sterile and empty-handed. "God did it" is equally applicable as the answer to every possible question, and is equally useless in every case. Every jot and tittle of progress ever made came from rejecting that answer.

jononomo 4y ago
I am arguing that the orgin-of-life is special case -- it is not like trying to explain where thunder comes from -- and I am completely happy to bite the bullet on the god-of-the-gaps question when it comes to the origin of life. We're 70 years past the Miller-Urey experiment and the gap has only grown wider. If I write a book on this subject it will be called "The God of the Gap".
- ncmncm 4y ago
  And when abiogenesis is finally worked out, your god vanishes in a puff of unreality? If I were going to pick a god to believe in, I would demand sterner stuff than that. But I here predict that when abiogenesis is solved, you will pivot immediately to a now-diminished god inventing amino acids with innate capacity for evolving life. From there, to carbon; and then hydrogen, and its propensity to make stars that eventually go supernova (for the first few rows of the periodic table) and collapse to neutron stars (that collide to make the rest). It will be a god of Hydrogen. Or maybe of Quarks, Leptons, and Photons, though that seems a little messy. Maybe the devil gets to do Dark Matter?
  - jononomo 4y ago
    Absolutely not -- if abiogenesis is solved then I'll be happy to capitulate. My entire argument is based on the fact that abiogenesis cannot be solved within a materialistic/naturalistic framework. If you do it, then you win.