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> Two years old to teens > What to eat: seeds, tofu and semi-skimmed milk If you have kids of this age, please do not do this to them. They need lots of healt

> Two years old to teens > What to eat: seeds, tofu and semi-skimmed milk If you have kids of this age, please do not do this to them. They need lots of healthy fat and animal protein.

hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
One good source of healthy fats is... seeds. Semi-skimmed (as opposed to skimmed) milk also contains fat as well as animal protein.
dsnr 4y ago
> They need lots of healthy fat Hence seeds. Best source of healthy fats.
- picklesman 4y ago
  Debatable. Seeds are very high in omega6 fatty acids which should be balanced with omega3. They also can go rancid more easily which is not healthy to eat. I noticed this article also subscribes to the “saturated fat is bad” way of thinking which is also debatable.
  - dsnr 4y ago
    > should be balanced with omega3 Sources high in omega 6 are also high in omega 3. > They also can go rancid more easily More easily than what for example?
    - purplerabbit 4y ago
      High omega 6 does not imply high omega 3 (see https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/optimize-omega-6-omega-3-ratio https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/optimize-omega-6-omega-... )
dijit 4y ago
Soy (tofu is made of soybeans) is also linked to hormonal weirdness. My girlfriend used to drink vegan protein powder every day and would get extremely sore breasts and much more severe cramps than she otherwise would during her time of the month. After reading about soy and hormones she began cutting it out (using milk based protein powder instead) and she went back to normal, relatively quickly mind you. Playing with the hormones of people in development is a bad idea, until we know more I wouldn’t recommend making soy a staple of a young adult diet.
- hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
  It sounds like she might be sensitive to the plant estrogens in soy, but hopefully nobody thinks that milk from a pregnant cow is free of animal estrogens and other hormones. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/
  - dijit 4y ago
    Sure. Not pretending, but given the strong link[0] I would prefer more research in this area. We’ve been drinking bovine milk for about 10,000 years and heavily ingesting soy in the west for about 100 years (with a sharp uptick over the 50 years[1], the same time that testosterone is rapidly declining in men[2]) I would prefer more research for the new thing than the old thing, for the simple fact that we’ve been doing the old thing so long that it’s either safe or we’ve already bore the consequences. To be fully clear: I’m not saying that this is a correlation; testosterone decline is suspected to be caused by BPA plastics: but what I’m saying is that given it has been linked with hormone abnormalities, I would be more skeptical of recommending it as a central component of a growing bodies diet. [0]: https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/does-eating-soy-affect-your-hormones https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/does-eating-soy-affec... [1]: https://ourworldindata.org/soy https://ourworldindata.org/soy [2]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-t... p.s: sorry for the formatting/grammar, I’m writing this on a phone.
    - 4y ago
PretzelPirate 4y ago
The American Dietetic Association says “ It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.” Which doesn’t seem to be in alignment with your comment. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/
- numerik_meister 4y ago
  Have to roll my eyes every time I see doctors having to deal with this issue. They cannot just outright say what is common sense, without causing an outcry. So they have to wiggle around issue. "Appropriately planned" is the key phrase.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    > They cannot just outright say what is common sense… Is it common sense? Or just what we were indoctrinated to believe is common sense? I ask with all sincerity as a SAD¹ eater who hasn't escaped his raised-in-Iowa childhood eating habits. ¹https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21139124/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21139124/
    - 0des 4y ago
      > Is it common sense? Or just what we were indoctrinated to believe is common sense? Even Dale Gribble would know this is common sense. There is no shadowy 'they' here.
      - CharlesW 4y ago
        > There is no shadowy 'they' here. Oh, my sweet summer child. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=G2300 https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=G230...

> Two years old to teens > What to eat: seeds, tofu and semi-skimmed milk If you have kids of this age, please do not do this to them. They need lots of healthy fat and animal protein.

hoppyhoppy2 4y ago

One good source of healthy fats is... seeds. Semi-skimmed (as opposed to skimmed) milk also contains fat as well as animal protein.

dsnr 4y ago

> They need lots of healthy fat Hence seeds. Best source of healthy fats.

picklesman 4y ago
Debatable. Seeds are very high in omega6 fatty acids which should be balanced with omega3. They also can go rancid more easily which is not healthy to eat. I noticed this article also subscribes to the “saturated fat is bad” way of thinking which is also debatable.
- dsnr 4y ago
  > should be balanced with omega3 Sources high in omega 6 are also high in omega 3. > They also can go rancid more easily More easily than what for example?
  - purplerabbit 4y ago
    High omega 6 does not imply high omega 3 (see https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/optimize-omega-6-omega-3-ratio https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/optimize-omega-6-omega-... )

dijit 4y ago

Soy (tofu is made of soybeans) is also linked to hormonal weirdness. My girlfriend used to drink vegan protein powder every day and would get extremely sore breasts and much more severe cramps than she otherwise would during her time of the month. After reading about soy and hormones she began cutting it out (using milk based protein powder instead) and she went back to normal, relatively quickly mind you. Playing with the hormones of people in development is a bad idea, until we know more I wouldn’t recommend making soy a staple of a young adult diet.

hoppyhoppy2 4y ago
It sounds like she might be sensitive to the plant estrogens in soy, but hopefully nobody thinks that milk from a pregnant cow is free of animal estrogens and other hormones. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/
- dijit 4y ago
  Sure. Not pretending, but given the strong link[0] I would prefer more research in this area. We’ve been drinking bovine milk for about 10,000 years and heavily ingesting soy in the west for about 100 years (with a sharp uptick over the 50 years[1], the same time that testosterone is rapidly declining in men[2]) I would prefer more research for the new thing than the old thing, for the simple fact that we’ve been doing the old thing so long that it’s either safe or we’ve already bore the consequences. To be fully clear: I’m not saying that this is a correlation; testosterone decline is suspected to be caused by BPA plastics: but what I’m saying is that given it has been linked with hormone abnormalities, I would be more skeptical of recommending it as a central component of a growing bodies diet. [0]: https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/does-eating-soy-affect-your-hormones https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/does-eating-soy-affec... [1]: https://ourworldindata.org/soy https://ourworldindata.org/soy [2]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-t... p.s: sorry for the formatting/grammar, I’m writing this on a phone.
  - 4y ago

PretzelPirate 4y ago

The American Dietetic Association says “ It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.” Which doesn’t seem to be in alignment with your comment. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/

numerik_meister 4y ago
Have to roll my eyes every time I see doctors having to deal with this issue. They cannot just outright say what is common sense, without causing an outcry. So they have to wiggle around issue. "Appropriately planned" is the key phrase.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > They cannot just outright say what is common sense… Is it common sense? Or just what we were indoctrinated to believe is common sense? I ask with all sincerity as a SAD¹ eater who hasn't escaped his raised-in-Iowa childhood eating habits. ¹https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21139124/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21139124/
  - 0des 4y ago
    > Is it common sense? Or just what we were indoctrinated to believe is common sense? Even Dale Gribble would know this is common sense. There is no shadowy 'they' here.
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      > There is no shadowy 'they' here. Oh, my sweet summer child. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=G2300 https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=G230...