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The most amusing thing here is what Ukraine is just the same post-Soviet country with exactly the same problems, but suddenly...

rocgf 5y ago
Ukraine is just as corrupt as any other post-Soviet/Eastern European country, but they've got multiple things on their side. It's easier to defend than attack, it's easier to defend with gigantic Western support via weapons and information, Ukrainians actually understand what they're fighting for and so on. I was recently back home in my Eastern European country and saw LOADS of young Ukrainian men in flashy cars driving through my city, while men are supposedly not allowed to leave the country. There is no black or white.
wiseowise 5y ago
Just because they're post-Soviet country means they can't change? Since Zelesnky became president, they've started improving. For example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diia.
- justsomehnguy 5y ago
  > Just because they're post-Soviet country means they can't change? Means what the corruption is still there. It can't just vanish with a new president. > they've started improving Well, good for them? But how that would help to counter the corruption and mentality of doing things off the table? And AFAIK Russia did it since 2010 I think.
  - zasdffaa 5y ago
    "Do nothing because the results aren't instant". Great advice.
    - justsomehnguy 5y ago
      Ah, yes. Care to point where did I said that?
  - wiseowise 5y ago
    > And AFAIK Russia did it since 2010 I think. If you mean degrading into authoritarian state without any opposition, with absurd level of censorship and general gaslighting of population - then yes.
    - justsomehnguy 5y ago
      I was talking about their e-governance system but I like what you found the answer you searched for.
signatoremo 5y ago
If Russia were to be invaded, I have no doubts Russians would fight tooth and nail, like Ukrainians today. It’s the matter of life and death.

rocgf 5y ago

Ukraine is just as corrupt as any other post-Soviet/Eastern European country, but they've got multiple things on their side. It's easier to defend than attack, it's easier to defend with gigantic Western support via weapons and information, Ukrainians actually understand what they're fighting for and so on. I was recently back home in my Eastern European country and saw LOADS of young Ukrainian men in flashy cars driving through my city, while men are supposedly not allowed to leave the country. There is no black or white.

wiseowise 5y ago

Just because they're post-Soviet country means they can't change? Since Zelesnky became president, they've started improving. For example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diia.

justsomehnguy 5y ago
> Just because they're post-Soviet country means they can't change? Means what the corruption is still there. It can't just vanish with a new president. > they've started improving Well, good for them? But how that would help to counter the corruption and mentality of doing things off the table? And AFAIK Russia did it since 2010 I think.
- zasdffaa 5y ago
  "Do nothing because the results aren't instant". Great advice.
  - justsomehnguy 5y ago
    Ah, yes. Care to point where did I said that?
- wiseowise 5y ago
  > And AFAIK Russia did it since 2010 I think. If you mean degrading into authoritarian state without any opposition, with absurd level of censorship and general gaslighting of population - then yes.
  - justsomehnguy 5y ago
    I was talking about their e-governance system but I like what you found the answer you searched for.

signatoremo 5y ago

If Russia were to be invaded, I have no doubts Russians would fight tooth and nail, like Ukrainians today. It’s the matter of life and death.